GT8 into Mod 50

[Mcgas]

HI guys, just thought id share, tried the boss gt8 into the front of the mod 50 today. Am going to set it up to change channels via midi. Set up some chorus delay sounds, and a patch with the TS model. All this just into the vx ch A. Sounded superb, seems to be a really good match! All that without touching vx chb, and sl2 . ...Macka

 

[mackid]

Get a EB Tech line level shifter and use the 4 cable method into the amp and you will be even happier. Your verbs and delays will sound fantastic! You can use the loop function to bring the Mod 50's preamps into the GT-8, and then arrange the effects in the order you want them to be in. Use the series loop with the EB Tech. I had a GMajor for a while, but liked the sound of the GT-8 much better, plus the Boss petal has a lot more effects.


Mac

 

[Mcgas]

Hey, thx for that, so then for example, u could put the compressor in front of the preamp. Is that because u can place different effects each side of the loop, which is now the mod 50 preamp? I was thinking the 4 cable method is not required because I wasnt going to use the GT8 preamp sims, but that makes sense..great tip! Macka

 

[mbrown3]

I use the ebtech and 4 cable method with the G-System and I LOVE it. The main draw, to me, was the channel switching, particularly being able to store a specific amp channel into a preset. But it sounds incredible with the pure amp's tones and the G running through the loops. Great stuff!

 

[jmgman69]

I use the ebtech and 4 cable method with the G-System and I LOVE it. The main draw, to me, was the channel switching, particularly being able to store a specific amp channel into a preset. But it sounds incredible with the pure amp's tones and the G running through the loops. Great stuff!

Do you need the Ebtech with the G system and Mod?

 

[mackid]

Hey, thx for that, so then for example, u could put the compressor in front of the preamp. Is that because u can place different effects each side of the loop, which is now the mod 50 preamp? I was thinking the 4 cable method is not required because I wasnt going to use the GT8 preamp sims, but that makes sense..great tip! Macka

Yeah, that's exactly how it works! You can put any of the effects either before or after the loop! This gives you a lot of options as far as how the effects will sound.

Do you need the Ebtech with the G system and Mod?

No, you won't need it with the G System, there is a output setup in there that will let you choose between +4 or -10 for your output level, you will need +4. I had a Gmajor, I'm sure it works the same way with the G System.

Mac

 

[jmgman69]

Hey, thx for that, so then for example, u could put the compressor in front of the preamp. Is that because u can place different effects each side of the loop, which is now the mod 50 preamp? I was thinking the 4 cable method is not required because I wasnt going to use the GT8 preamp sims, but that makes sense..great tip! Macka

Yeah, that's exactly how it works! You can put any of the effects either before or after the loop! This gives you a lot of options as far as how the effects will sound.

Do you need the Ebtech with the G system and Mod?

No, you won't need it with the G System, there is a output setup in there that will let you choose between +4 or -10 for your output level, you will need +4. I had a Gmajor, I'm sure it works the same way with the G System.

Mac

Cool,I ran my G system threw the Mod and it smokes man!!!I now run it threw the M4

 

[Mcgas]

G system and Mod 50..that would have be the end of the line of tone and flexibilitiy! The only thing I wont be able to do with the gt8 is switch in my BB preamp independantly, as the loop will be used for the Mod 50 preamp. ..Macka

 

[mbrown3]

YES, you do need the ebtech for the MOD (if you want to use the effects loop). G-Sys is at instrument level, MOD's loops are line level, so the ebtech is needed to run the time based effects after the preamps. If you want to run everything into the input, you don't need the ebtech.

 

[jmgman69]

YES, you do need the ebtech for the MOD (if you want to use the effects loop). G-Sys is at instrument level, MOD's loops are line level, so the ebtech is needed to run the time based effects after the preamps. If you want to run everything into the input, you don't need the ebtech.

I ran mine in the series loop and set the levels in the G and it works killer with the 4 cable method,No ebtech.

 

[mbrown3]

The G-System manual and the MOD50 manuals both make very clear that instrument level and line level won't play well together...that's the whole point of the line level shifter. You can get the volume levels to even out by tweaking the input and output levels in the G, but that's not the same as matching the impedence levels of the inputs. You likely have a lot more noise (hiss, etc.) than necessary and it would likely sound a lot more killer with the ebtech...

FWIW, it took a LONG time for me to get the G set up just right...tweaking the levels, adjusting the input gain, using the ebtech, setting the output levels, etc. Definitely not plug and play. Still sounded good plugging straight in, but once I got it all set up right...it's unbelievable!

 

[jmgman69]

The G-System manual and the MOD50 manuals both make very clear that instrument level and line level won't play well together...that's the whole point of the line level shifter. You can get the volume levels to even out by tweaking the input and output levels in the G, but that's not the same as matching the impedence levels of the inputs. You likely have a lot more noise (hiss, etc.) than necessary and it would likely sound a lot more killer with the ebtech...

FWIW, it took a LONG time for me to get the G set up just right...tweaking the levels, adjusting the input gain, using the ebtech, setting the output levels, etc. Definitely not plug and play. Still sounded good plugging straight in, but once I got it all set up right...it's unbelievable!

Not to hijack,but did you read this in the levels section in the G manual?If so could you please direct me to it

 

[mbrown3]

The G-System manual and the MOD50 manuals both make very clear that instrument level and line level won't play well together...that's the whole point of the line level shifter. You can get the volume levels to even out by tweaking the input and output levels in the G, but that's not the same as matching the impedence levels of the inputs. You likely have a lot more noise (hiss, etc.) than necessary and it would likely sound a lot more killer with the ebtech...

FWIW, it took a LONG time for me to get the G set up just right...tweaking the levels, adjusting the input gain, using the ebtech, setting the output levels, etc. Definitely not plug and play. Still sounded good plugging straight in, but once I got it all set up right...it's unbelievable!

Not to hijack,but did you read this in the levels section in the G manual?If so could you please direct me to it

Oops, sorry, I must have mis-remembered it in the G-System manual itself, or I'm remembering the section about using serial versus parallel loops. In any case, I can't find it now. In fact, this is the problem that I ran into initially. I would adjust the volume levels according to the TC manual but then when I turned up on the amp, something didn't sound quite right, and the G-Sys would clip, if not the actual signal I was hearing, certainly the actual lights (which meant that I had the volume levels adjusted so that I wasn't hearing the distortion caused by the clip, but that it was happening somewhere in the signal line...which meant signal degredation). I called the guys at amp lounge and they told me it sounds like the G-System is instrument level and the amp is line level, so I would need something like the Ebtech. I called TC to confirm and they did, in fact, confirm that the G-System operates at instrument level (as opposed to G-Major which is line level).

From the MOD50 manual: "Both loops are designed for line level operation. Though some floor type and tabletop effects may work, the loops are designed basically for rack mount type effects units. Not guitar level floor pedals."

Once I got the ebtech, the clipping went away, I was able to get a VERY clean and clear signal and all is well in the world...

 

[jmgman69]

The G-System manual and the MOD50 manuals both make very clear that instrument level and line level won't play well together...that's the whole point of the line level shifter. You can get the volume levels to even out by tweaking the input and output levels in the G, but that's not the same as matching the impedence levels of the inputs. You likely have a lot more noise (hiss, etc.) than necessary and it would likely sound a lot more killer with the ebtech...

FWIW, it took a LONG time for me to get the G set up just right...tweaking the levels, adjusting the input gain, using the ebtech, setting the output levels, etc. Definitely not plug and play. Still sounded good plugging straight in, but once I got it all set up right...it's unbelievable!

Not to hijack,but did you read this in the levels section in the G manual?If so could you please direct me to it

Oops, sorry, I must have mis-remembered it in the G-System manual itself, or I'm remembering the section about using serial versus parallel loops. In any case, I can't find it now. In fact, this is the problem that I ran into initially. I would adjust the volume levels according to the TC manual but then when I turned up on the amp, something didn't sound quite right, and the G-Sys would clip, if not the actual signal I was hearing, certainly the actual lights (which meant that I had the volume levels adjusted so that I wasn't hearing the distortion caused by the clip, but that it was happening somewhere in the signal line...which meant signal degredation). I called the guys at amp lounge and they told me it sounds like the G-System is instrument level and the amp is line level, so I would need something like the Ebtech. I called TC to confirm and they did, in fact, confirm that the G-System operates at instrument level (as opposed to G-Major which is line level).

From the MOD50 manual: "Both loops are designed for line level operation. Though some floor type and tabletop effects may work, the loops are designed basically for rack mount type effects units. Not guitar level floor pedals."

Once I got the ebtech, the clipping went away, I was able to get a VERY clean and clear signal and all is well in the world...

How high are you running your module volumes on the Mod?

 

[mbrown3]

Depends on which one. The TD I always have maxed out because to get volume equal to the others, I have to set the volume at its max even with the gain pretty high. The higher the overall volume...and gain...of the amp goes, the more the impedance will become an issue.

 

[Mercury25]

Sorry to revive an old tread, but how hard was it to set up the midi switching for the Mod50?

I was thinking about a GT10 for kicks, but only of I can use it for channel switching as well.

Thanks!

 

[Mcgas]

Hi...the midi switching is UNBELIEVABLY easy! I had all the effects programmed for each patch, and I set aside an afternoon to do just the changing of mod channels to the relevant GT8 patch. A few minutes later I was finished 30 or so patches. [ Instant beer o clock] Select the patch, select the channel on the mod, when u get the right one hold the channel button on the mod 50 for a few seconds and thats it. Was wondering myself about how much better the GT 10 would be compared to the GT8. ....Macka