Guys, can someone get me some SL clips?

[richedie]

Hey guys,

The clips in the Clip Collective no longer work and I am looking for some hard rocking clips since I am considering making this my main module and being done with the search. I love plexis and want to make this my module for everything from classic rock to balls out hard rock, using a pedal if I need to for leads.

More and more, I am getting away from high gain amps/tones and getting back to my roots....plexi and some pedals for all.
I find the less gain, the cleaner and bigger the tone....just like I used to run years ago before I got into high gain amps for a while.

Thanks if anyone has some hard rocking clips!

Rich

 

[richedie]

I know some of you have SLs.

 

[fuzzyguitars]

what do you want to hear?

i can put a few of your favorite riffs down..

nothing fancy though.

 

[richedie]

Thanks bro, maybe something on the heavier side, EVH, Lynch...even something heavier, Cantrell or something. I think a lot of the heaviness comes from hoe you play and the mix with the bass player.....I don't always need gobs of gain....that is why I am liking channel A of my SL2 for all styles but I want to try the Plexi. Maybe with a pedal in front?

 

[Buckeyedog]

Rich, just buy mine for $320 shipped. Then if you don't dig it, just flip it and you most likely won't be out any cash!!

I'm sure you'll dig it. Just gives that bit of extra thickness/wooliness that the SL2 A doesn't in my opinion.

 

[richedie]

Rich, just buy mine for $320 shipped. Then if you don't dig it, just flip it and you most likely won't be out any cash!!

I'm sure you'll dig it. Just gives that bit of extra thickness/wooliness that the SL2 A doesn't in my opinion.

Then why get rid of it?

What is ch. B gain like?

 

[Buckeyedog]

Only because I find myself playing the SL2X and Bassman more. I love the SL, but as of now, I can let it go. I feel I can get "close enough" for me using the SL2X and trying to thicken it up. Not quite there, but for me now, it's fine. Plus I'm tired of the pedal thing too, and you kind of need one to really push the SL.

Hey, if you don't want it, believe me.......am in no rush to sell it!!!

Oh, channel B........hmmmmmm, well I'm not good at describing stuff. Got gain more like the 800 vs. the plexi, but with more of a plexi tone. You can really rock pretty hard with just channel B, but to really get that Lynch type sustain going, most likely need to boost it.

 

[richedie]

Honestly, I hate racks and programing gear. I am more old school and I like things always real time. Actually boosting for leads is fine. I have a modded Sparkle Drive perfect for that. I know I could get the Lynch type sustaining leads with that into the SL. I am also sure I could do hard rock with channel B cranked up. I sometimes use an Xotic RC Booster to tighten the lows for some songs. I have options.

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... dID=676119

Richedie, I forgot about this live video from a few years back that's on my Soundclick page. It's HWM playing the old Dregs tune, "Criuse Control" on Steve's birthday at this little club in San Diego that was like 100 degress on stage...anyway, this was with my twin MOD 50 rig using an SL B for the rhythm parts and the other with an EQ and about 3dB boost for the leads. I achieved this with a Soundsculpture switching system that also lets me fade in the K2500R organ patch for the organ stabs. Pretty complicated to design and set up, but super easy to use live.

 

[Valtiel]

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=676119

Richedie, I forgot about this live video from a few years back that's on my Soundclick page. It's HWM playing the old Dregs tune, "Criuse Control" on Steve's birthday at this little club in San Diego that was like 100 degress on stage...anyway, this was with my twin MOD 50 rig using an SL B for the rhythm parts and the other with an EQ and about 3dB boost for the leads. I achieved this with a Soundsculpture switching system that also lets me fade in the K2500R organ patch for the organ stabs. Pretty complicated to design and set up, but super easy to use live.

Well I don't know how reliable that will be, based on the clips i've heard you could probably squeeze a killer tone out of a paper bag with a blown speaker in it.

 

[muudrock]

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=676119

Richedie, I forgot about this live video from a few years back that's on my Soundclick page. It's HWM playing the old Dregs tune, "Criuse Control" on Steve's birthday at this little club in San Diego that was like 100 degress on stage...anyway, this was with my twin MOD 50 rig using an SL B for the rhythm parts and the other with an EQ and about 3dB boost for the leads. I achieved this with a Soundsculpture switching system that also lets me fade in the K2500R organ patch for the organ stabs. Pretty complicated to design and set up, but super easy to use live.

Well I don't know how reliable that will be, based on the clips i've heard you could probably squeeze a killer tone out of a paper bag with a blown speaker in it.

It would probably be a wet paper bag too.

 

[richedie]

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=676119

Richedie, I forgot about this live video from a few years back that's on my Soundclick page. It's HWM playing the old Dregs tune, "Criuse Control" on Steve's birthday at this little club in San Diego that was like 100 degress on stage...anyway, this was with my twin MOD 50 rig using an SL B for the rhythm parts and the other with an EQ and about 3dB boost for the leads. I achieved this with a Soundsculpture switching system that also lets me fade in the K2500R organ patch for the organ stabs. Pretty complicated to design and set up, but super easy to use live.

John, that sounds thick and FAT! What do you attribute most of that to other than your fingers? What speakers, pickups, power tubes, etc?

Rather than an EQ for leads I am using a modded Sparkle Drive up front it adds mids and cuts some bass, and some highs if I EQ correctly.

 

[Valtiel]

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=676119

Richedie, I forgot about this live video from a few years back that's on my Soundclick page. It's HWM playing the old Dregs tune, "Criuse Control" on Steve's birthday at this little club in San Diego that was like 100 degress on stage...anyway, this was with my twin MOD 50 rig using an SL B for the rhythm parts and the other with an EQ and about 3dB boost for the leads. I achieved this with a Soundsculpture switching system that also lets me fade in the K2500R organ patch for the organ stabs. Pretty complicated to design and set up, but super easy to use live.

John, that sounds thick and FAT! What do you attribute most of that to other than your fingers? What speakers, pickups, power tubes, etc?

Rather than an EQ for leads I am using a modded Sparkle Drive up front it adds mids and cuts some bass, and some highs if I EQ correctly.

Honestly in that clip it really dosent matter. He could have 6L6's, EL34's, Vintage 30's, Jensen's, it dosent matter. He's dialed in a killer tone, and the killer playing makes it sound good. If you heard the specs of the pickups, you probably wouldnt like it, namely because if that Morse is stock, the bridge pickup has a fat ceramic magnet in it and the neck pickup is 20k, also with a ceramic magnet. It's not in the equipment, its the user.

I'd also be willing to bet that that he could pull that same tone out of his AxeFX.

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

Thanks for the kind words about the tones and the tune. You rock. I really don't have a definitive answer to the old chicken and the egg question about players and their tone because there isn't one. Of course gear matters, but this is where everyone's philosophies diverge. I think I move in and out of various emotional connections to gear as they are naturally working with how I express myself for whatever phase I'm in. The thing I've always loved about the Egnater stuff is how organic and natural it all feels to me regardless. They are just rich, chewy, happy tones you can sink your teeth into across all the modules.

Speakers on this, I can't exactly remember as I was switching them out here and there. I think it was either my 2x12s with some Emi Governors and TX Heats or my friend, Travis Larson's custom EV 4x12s as we were sharing some gear that night. Our drummer is playing on the Travis Larson Band's big prog kit. Judging from what I can make out of my tone, I think it was my cabs running W/D. The pickups int the Morse are great for Steve, but I switched one of my Morse gtrs to DiMarzio Anniversary PAFs and area 58/61. One head was EL 34 and the other 6550 just as Frank shipped them. They are really LOUD at this gig too! That's the great thing about the medium gain tones is that you can crank the bejezus out of them without too much feedback problems and still feel the concussion - which always helps me pick better - even if I am sweating to death and left hand is sticking to every note...

I was thinking about this on my run tonight, the SL is really one of the basic tone pillars if you had to strip down the rig and loose seom modules. It takes pedals really, really well. Between it, the B'Man and the VOX you can cover some serious tone terrains.

 

[Valtiel]

Thanks for the kind words about the tones and the tune. You rock. I really don't have a definitive answer to the old chicken and the egg question about players and their tone because there isn't one. Of course gear matters, but this is where everyone's philosophies diverge. I think I move in and out of various emotional connections to gear as they are naturally working with how I express myself for whatever phase I'm in. The thing I've always loved about the Egnater stuff is how organic and natural it all feels to me regardless. They are just rich, chewy, happy tones you can sink your teeth into across all the modules.

Speakers on this, I can't exactly remember as I was switching them out here and there. I think it was either my 2x12s with some Emi Governors and TX Heats or my friend, Travis Larson's custom EV 4x12s as we were sharing some gear that night. Our drummer is playing on the Travis Larson Band's big prog kit. Judging from what I can make out of my tone, I think it was my cabs running W/D. The pickups int the Morse are great for Steve, but I switched one of my Morse gtrs to DiMarzio Anniversary PAFs and area 58/61. One head was EL 34 and the other 6550 just as Frank shipped them. They are really LOUD at this gig too! That's the great thing about the medium gain tones is that you can crank the bejezus out of them without too much feedback problems and still feel the concussion - which always helps me pick better - even if I am sweating to death and left hand is sticking to every note...

I was thinking about this on my run tonight, the SL is really one of the basic tone pillars if you had to strip down the rig and loose seom modules. It takes pedals really, really well. Between it, the B'Man and the VOX you can cover some serious tone terrains.

I can definitely relate to the "emotional connections" with gear bit, even though i've ditched the MOD50 i'll definitely be picking up an E2 to try to integrate with the Axe-FX somehow. SL and VX will probably find a home there. How is the Axe working these days John?

 

[richedie]

"even if I am sweating to death and left hand is sticking to every note..."

That is a problem I have when nervous, I get sweaty clammy hands and my hands dtick to the strings/fret board. Really makes me sloppier than I am normally. I wish there was a way around that. Chaulk, powder?

Killer tone and playing John. Always love to hear you plat. I do agree gear does matter! I love George Lynch for example but I have heard him play through crap gear when sitting in....and even though sounded like him, the tone was pretty bad....so it DOES matter.

I use EL34s exclusivealy even though I tried 6550s. I just need the chew of EL34s.

John, are all you modules stock? I tried the SL2X but am going back to stock but leaving the tight bass cap. I just love the chew of the stock modules.

Buckeye, I am tempted to sell my Erect and get your SL.

 

[Buckeyedog]

It's still available.........

There is a guy on the MTS forum who is trying to sell some of his Randall mods to get my SL as well.

I'm not even going to listen to the clips because it will give me second thoughts on selling it!!

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

John, are all you modules stock? I tried the SL2X but am going back to stock but leaving the tight bass cap. I just love the chew of the stock modules.

Yeah, pretty much. I have a Friedman HairyBrownEye, but that's it. I still need to check out the SL2X.

Also, FWIW, here is more info on that setup I found on the HWM website in the Machines section:

http://www.hecticwatermelon.com/machines.cfm

Cruise Control Sound Design

Amp channels: Egnater SLA (rhythm) and SL B (slightly boosted for leads)
Synth: K2500R, Dirty B program
FX: Modulated Eclipse delay
Switching: Soundsculpture Switchblade GL and Axxess FX1 floor controller

I used two Switchblade presets that have two states each for this tune. One is the rhythm SL amp ; when I press a pedal (could be either momentary, latching or EB pedal tied to the internal SB controller), then the K2500 organ stabs pop in. When I call up this preset, it loads up with the amp-only state.

The lead SL preset also has two states: state one (rhythm) a rhythm amp tone with the keyboard together; state two (lead) a boosted SL with Eclipse delay. The tricky thing about this one is that I had to program it so it loads up in the lead state. It wouldn’t be convenient if I had to press a preset button to get it to the second preset and then hit a second button to get it into the lead state of the preset. So, the first time I nudge the pedals, and then it defaults back to state A to begin doing all the call-and-response figures.

 

[richedie]

John, what is your lead tone boosted with? Neck pickup? It is ridiculously fat! Sounds like the neck pickup and a killer pickup at that. Good hands too.

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

John, what is your lead tone boosted with? Neck pickup? It is ridiculously fat! Sounds like the neck pickup and a killer pickup at that. Good hands too.

Lead tone was boosted with a parametric EQ targeting the key mid and low-mid frequencies that really open up the areas of distortion that make it a little more molten and glue the whole signal together with a little less dynamics. Here, you just need to experiment. This is when you really get to see what's behind the curtain in a module - when you start messing around with booting this or that. No, just bridge PAF.