Hagen Questions

[cameron711]

So, I finally got my hands on a Hagen. First take, in all honestly, i wasn't impressed. Then i went back today and a/b'ed it against my herbie mk1, and in all honesty the herbie is a beast, but what I learned to like about the Hagen is it's versatility while still keeping Diezel tone!

I love the cleans, i feel i can get close to the herbie cleaning by putting gain low and volume high, but i get more crispy cleans with higher gain settings.

my main questions have to do with ch 2-4, especially 3 and 4.
some applications, i find the right tone with my gain at 2-3 o clock, channel volume around 11, treble 2, mid 10-11, bass 12 and master volume 10-11.....presence and deep around 12.....but at these levels, as soon as i stop playing the guitar, i get serious microphonics....any suggestions? i have a noise gate on my nova system and i'm sure someone would recommend some time of hush super c or isp decimator, but any tricks without having to use those?

thanks! and is it bad if i'm tempted to keep my herbie and hagen

 

[HRC51]

I had some microphonics issues with my Hagen as well. I replaced the pre amp tubes, with V1 being the most important. I still get the occasional radio station, but I solve this by keeping the guitar volume slightly cracked open -- never fully off.

12AX7AC5 HG+ 678 (this is the V1)

12AX7AC5 HG+ (V2)

12AX7AC5 HG (for V3-V6)

The ones with the + symbol are the high grade tubes for V1 and V2 and the 678 represents the special selection (low microphonics) V1 tube, hand selected for Diezel.

A Furman power conditioner helped as well.

It's curious, because my Herbert was whisper quiet. Love my Hagen, but I wish I could have kept my Herbert too.

 

[cameron711]

Are these the ruby tubes similar to those recommended for the herbie? I bought a full set of preamp and power tubes for the herbie from jens kruse a while back and never installed them, hopefully they're the same ones!

 

[HRC51]

Sorry, not sure if they are exactly the same as Herbert. Ruby tubes for sure. I got mine from Jens too.

 

[cameron711]

It seems your master is either low or off? Am I seeing that correctly? Also do u have the kt77 or the el34? Also Reza, I have to ask if you're Persian? There's so few Persian rockers out there!

 

[Peter Diezel]

So, I finally got my hands on a Hagen. First take, in all honestly, i wasn't impressed. Then i went back today and a/b'ed it against my herbie mk1, and in all honesty the herbie is a beast, but what I learned to like about the Hagen is it's versatility while still keeping Diezel tone!

I love the cleans, i feel i can get close to the herbie cleaning by putting gain low and volume high, but i get more crispy cleans with higher gain settings.

my main questions have to do with ch 2-4, especially 3 and 4.
some applications, i find the right tone with my gain at 2-3 o clock, channel volume around 11, treble 2, mid 10-11, bass 12 and master volume 10-11.....presence and deep around 12.....but at these levels, as soon as i stop playing the guitar, i get serious microphonics....any suggestions? i have a noise gate on my nova system and i'm sure someone would recommend some time of hush super c or isp decimator, but any tricks without having to use those?

thanks! and is it bad if i'm tempted to keep my herbie and hagen

What do You miss soundwise on the Hagen ?

Best,
Peter

 

[cameron711]

El34, set the master to taste, it happened to be turned down.
I am Persian, even less Persian metal heads..

true, even less persian metalheads in birmingham, alabama like myself....best to you reza!

 

[cameron711]

So, I finally got my hands on a Hagen. First take, in all honestly, i wasn't impressed. Then i went back today and a/b'ed it against my herbie mk1, and in all honesty the herbie is a beast, but what I learned to like about the Hagen is it's versatility while still keeping Diezel tone!

I love the cleans, i feel i can get close to the herbie cleaning by putting gain low and volume high, but i get more crispy cleans with higher gain settings.

my main questions have to do with ch 2-4, especially 3 and 4.
some applications, i find the right tone with my gain at 2-3 o clock, channel volume around 11, treble 2, mid 10-11, bass 12 and master volume 10-11.....presence and deep around 12.....but at these levels, as soon as i stop playing the guitar, i get serious microphonics....any suggestions? i have a noise gate on my nova system and i'm sure someone would recommend some time of hush super c or isp decimator, but any tricks without having to use those?

thanks! and is it bad if i'm tempted to keep my herbie and hagen

What do You miss soundwise on the Hagen ?

Best,
Peter

I've only had the chance to play for an hour. man, if i never played a herbert or an einstein, i'd have nothing i'd miss because the hagen is phenomenal. having played those others, i can't help but miss the crisp punchy cleans of herbie ch1 a little, and ch2+ of herbie and mega of einstein! i'm sure with time i'll learn to dial those in....

Thanks again for another great reason for me to sell gear for a diezel product!

 

[Peter Diezel]

Thanks Cameron, I will look for these details.

Peter