Has anyone compared Cameron's and Gower's mods?

[Thunkful]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

 

[FourT6and2]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

Both builders will tailor the amp to however you want it to sound, I'm sure.

 

[peterc52]

They both do a load of different mods. So you can't say. depends.

 

[braintheory]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

I’ve had several of both. By Gower I’ve had a Rockmonster and KK++ and by Cameron I had a Jose and still have an Aldrich 79 JMP2203, 3 channel Aldrich/Jose/Plexi 78 SLP, Atomica modded SLP and a ccv.

For tightness, the ccv is the tightest, but the kk++ could get close and my Atomica is also very tight. My Aldrich and 3 channel are kinda loose though, but my Aldrich has for me the best mid range. It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet. My Atomica and 3 channel also have amazing mid growl

The Gower’s were great and maybe my 2nd favorites for modded Marshall’s, but to my ears the Cameron’s were in another league when I compared them side by side. They were just bigger sounding, more organic, 3D and growly, but the Gower’s were in the same ballpark

With Cameron’s, I know the donor amps can make a huge difference. I’d recommend, whichever modded Marshall you get, to have a good older one (like 70’s JMP’s or SLP’s) as the donor amp. It’ll sound more rich and organic. The newer ones sound comparatively more filtered and restrained

 

[Thunkful]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

I’ve had several of both. By Gower I’ve had a Rockmonster and KK++ and by Cameron I had a Jose and still have an Aldrich 79 JMP2203, 3 channel Aldrich/Jose/Plexi 78 SLP, Atomica modded SLP and a ccv.

For tightness, the ccv is the tightest, but the kk++ could get close and my Atomica is also very tight. My Aldrich and 3 channel are kinda loose though, but my Aldrich has for me the best mid range. It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet. My Atomica and 3 channel also have amazing mid growl

The Gower’s were great and maybe my 2nd favorites for modded Marshall’s, but to my ears the Cameron’s were in another league when I compared them side by side. They were just bigger sounding, more organic, 3D and growly, but the Gower’s were in the same ballpark

With Cameron’s, I know the donor amps can make a huge difference. I’d recommend, whichever modded Marshall you get, to have a good older one (like 70’s JMP’s or SLP’s) as the donor amp. It’ll sound more rich and organic. The newer ones sound comparatively more filtered and restrained

Particulary the CCV interests me, how much tighter is it compared to the Gowers?

 

[braintheory]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

I’ve had several of both. By Gower I’ve had a Rockmonster and KK++ and by Cameron I had a Jose and still have an Aldrich 79 JMP2203, 3 channel Aldrich/Jose/Plexi 78 SLP, Atomica modded SLP and a ccv.

For tightness, the ccv is the tightest, but the kk++ could get close and my Atomica is also very tight. My Aldrich and 3 channel are kinda loose though, but my Aldrich has for me the best mid range. It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet. My Atomica and 3 channel also have amazing mid growl

The Gower’s were great and maybe my 2nd favorites for modded Marshall’s, but to my ears the Cameron’s were in another league when I compared them side by side. They were just bigger sounding, more organic, 3D and growly, but the Gower’s were in the same ballpark

With Cameron’s, I know the donor amps can make a huge difference. I’d recommend, whichever modded Marshall you get, to have a good older one (like 70’s JMP’s or SLP’s) as the donor amp. It’ll sound more rich and organic. The newer ones sound comparatively more filtered and restrained

Particulary the CCV interests me, how much tighter is it compared to the Gowers?

The ccv is much tighter than my rockmonster was. The KK++ I had could be dialed to sound like 99% as tight, but by that point it was very bright and lacking in bottom end, while the ccv was still a hair tighter and way more beefy and balanced sounding. When I dialed in the KK++ to where it sounded best to me, it was plenty tight, but nowhere near ccv level tightness. The ccv is tightest amp I’ve ever tried, but although it’s crazy tight/focused sounding, it’s not very fast in its response, so it doesn’t feel as tight if that makes sense, and it’s a very forgiving amp to play, so a lot people enjoy playing because of that

 

[Thunkful]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

I’ve had several of both. By Gower I’ve had a Rockmonster and KK++ and by Cameron I had a Jose and still have an Aldrich 79 JMP2203, 3 channel Aldrich/Jose/Plexi 78 SLP, Atomica modded SLP and a ccv.

For tightness, the ccv is the tightest, but the kk++ could get close and my Atomica is also very tight. My Aldrich and 3 channel are kinda loose though, but my Aldrich has for me the best mid range. It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet. My Atomica and 3 channel also have amazing mid growl

The Gower’s were great and maybe my 2nd favorites for modded Marshall’s, but to my ears the Cameron’s were in another league when I compared them side by side. They were just bigger sounding, more organic, 3D and growly, but the Gower’s were in the same ballpark

With Cameron’s, I know the donor amps can make a huge difference. I’d recommend, whichever modded Marshall you get, to have a good older one (like 70’s JMP’s or SLP’s) as the donor amp. It’ll sound more rich and organic. The newer ones sound comparatively more filtered and restrained

Particulary the CCV interests me, how much tighter is it compared to the Gowers?

The ccv is much tighter than my rockmonster was. The KK++ I had could be dialed to sound like 99% as tight, but by that point it was very bright and lacking in bottom end, while the ccv was still a hair tighter and way more beefy and balanced sounding. When I dialed in the KK++ to where it sounded best to me, it was plenty tight, but nowhere near ccv level tightness. The ccv is tightest amp I’ve ever tried, but although it’s crazy tight/focused sounding, it’s not very fast in its response, so it doesn’t feel as tight if that makes sense, and it’s a very forgiving amp to play, so a lot people enjoy playing because of that

I see well, i'll see what i can find on the used market, thanks for all the info!

 

[braintheory]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

I’ve had several of both. By Gower I’ve had a Rockmonster and KK++ and by Cameron I had a Jose and still have an Aldrich 79 JMP2203, 3 channel Aldrich/Jose/Plexi 78 SLP, Atomica modded SLP and a ccv.

For tightness, the ccv is the tightest, but the kk++ could get close and my Atomica is also very tight. My Aldrich and 3 channel are kinda loose though, but my Aldrich has for me the best mid range. It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet. My Atomica and 3 channel also have amazing mid growl

The Gower’s were great and maybe my 2nd favorites for modded Marshall’s, but to my ears the Cameron’s were in another league when I compared them side by side. They were just bigger sounding, more organic, 3D and growly, but the Gower’s were in the same ballpark

With Cameron’s, I know the donor amps can make a huge difference. I’d recommend, whichever modded Marshall you get, to have a good older one (like 70’s JMP’s or SLP’s) as the donor amp. It’ll sound more rich and organic. The newer ones sound comparatively more filtered and restrained

Particulary the CCV interests me, how much tighter is it compared to the Gowers?

The ccv is much tighter than my rockmonster was. The KK++ I had could be dialed to sound like 99% as tight, but by that point it was very bright and lacking in bottom end, while the ccv was still a hair tighter and way more beefy and balanced sounding. When I dialed in the KK++ to where it sounded best to me, it was plenty tight, but nowhere near ccv level tightness. The ccv is tightest amp I’ve ever tried, but although it’s crazy tight/focused sounding, it’s not very fast in its response, so it doesn’t feel as tight if that makes sense, and it’s a very forgiving amp to play, so a lot people enjoy playing because of that

I see well, i'll see what i can find on the used market, thanks for all the info!

Also, keep in mind, the ccv and his production amps sounds very different from his modded Marshall’s. His actual amps that I’ve tried have that filtered/restrained, less organic quality that modern amps tend to have and if you play a chord on the ccv, you’ll see there’s no growl or hair to the notes, it stays totally smooth. Some guys love that, but I hate it personally, but it’s insane palmmutes are more than enough for me to wanna keep it.

His modded Marshall’s are the complete opposite. My Aldrich is the most growly, hairy amp I’ve tried (tied with my Savage Blitz), super raw and organic, but can be a bit loose and undefined

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Also, keep in mind, the ccv and his production amps sounds very different from his modded Marshall’s. His actual amps that I’ve tried have that filtered/restrained, less organic quality that modern amps tend to have and if you play a chord on the ccv, you’ll see there’s no growl or hair to the notes, it stays totally smooth. Some guys love that, but I hate it personally, but it’s insane palmmutes are more than enough for me to wanna keep it.

His modded Marshall’s are the complete opposite. My Aldrich is the most growly, hairy amp I’ve tried (tied with my Savage Blitz), super raw and organic, but can be a bit loose and undefined

Props for a great description of the differences, esp how a modern voicing responds

 

[Thunkful]

Currently interested in both of these. What i'm wondering is that is Cameron tighter in low end than Gower and what about the mid range? I've only seen clips and they both sound outstanding in their own ways.

I’ve had several of both. By Gower I’ve had a Rockmonster and KK++ and by Cameron I had a Jose and still have an Aldrich 79 JMP2203, 3 channel Aldrich/Jose/Plexi 78 SLP, Atomica modded SLP and a ccv.

For tightness, the ccv is the tightest, but the kk++ could get close and my Atomica is also very tight. My Aldrich and 3 channel are kinda loose though, but my Aldrich has for me the best mid range. It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet. My Atomica and 3 channel also have amazing mid growl

The Gower’s were great and maybe my 2nd favorites for modded Marshall’s, but to my ears the Cameron’s were in another league when I compared them side by side. They were just bigger sounding, more organic, 3D and growly, but the Gower’s were in the same ballpark

With Cameron’s, I know the donor amps can make a huge difference. I’d recommend, whichever modded Marshall you get, to have a good older one (like 70’s JMP’s or SLP’s) as the donor amp. It’ll sound more rich and organic. The newer ones sound comparatively more filtered and restrained

Particulary the CCV interests me, how much tighter is it compared to the Gowers?

The ccv is much tighter than my rockmonster was. The KK++ I had could be dialed to sound like 99% as tight, but by that point it was very bright and lacking in bottom end, while the ccv was still a hair tighter and way more beefy and balanced sounding. When I dialed in the KK++ to where it sounded best to me, it was plenty tight, but nowhere near ccv level tightness. The ccv is tightest amp I’ve ever tried, but although it’s crazy tight/focused sounding, it’s not very fast in its response, so it doesn’t feel as tight if that makes sense, and it’s a very forgiving amp to play, so a lot people enjoy playing because of that

I see well, i'll see what i can find on the used market, thanks for all the info!

Also, keep in mind, the ccv and his production amps sounds very different from his modded Marshall’s. His actual amps that I’ve tried have that filtered/restrained, less organic quality that modern amps tend to have and if you play a chord on the ccv, you’ll see there’s no growl or hair to the notes, it stays totally smooth. Some guys love that, but I hate it personally, but it’s insane palmmutes are more than enough for me to wanna keep it.

His modded Marshall’s are the complete opposite. My Aldrich is the most growly, hairy amp I’ve tried (tied with my Savage Blitz), super raw and organic, but can be a bit loose and undefined

Some people are saying that some of the Cameron's have a bit Mesa thingie going on in them, maybe that's how they describe the lack of growl in the chords with the CCV?

 

[romanianreaper]

It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet.

That right there defines the Cameron Aldrich in my opinion. There is this tone, frequency, sound, whatever, that I know is there when I've heard it and can't even describe it to someone. It is like when you hear it, it sounds like a racecar engine or something and is amazing but like you said, I have never heard another amp be able to mimic that.

I always tell people here on the forum that my Cameron Aldrich fanboi stuff started after watching the DVD "DIO: Live in NYC". Once I heard Doug Aldrich playing that amp, I couldn't get that tone out of my head.

 

[LP Freak]

Here’s one of my Aldrich

 

[bhuard75]

Here’s one of my Aldrich

Ive ALWAYS liked them aldrich mods. Sounds good in that clip LP!

 

[1meanplexi]

Never played a Cameron but would LOVE to. Here is a clip of my Gower KK++ I use to own .youtube.com/watch?v=epN8MhmMa90. Based off of clips...I think it can get in the Cameron arena. You would have an easier time locating a Gower amp as opposed to a Cameron. Although, I did see a Cameron Aldrich selling for 4K on reverb.

 

[Thunkful]

Here’s one of my Aldrich

Sounds great! Will look more into the Cameron clips as well.

Never played a Cameron but would LOVE to. Here is a clip of my Gower KK++ I use to own .youtube.com/watch?v=epN8MhmMa90. Based off of clips...I think it can get in the Cameron arena. You would have an easier time locating a Gower amp as opposed to a Cameron. Although, I did see a Cameron Aldrich selling for 4K on reverb.

Good point, i think now that Cameron is not doing publicly mods or amps per se, the amps are almost in a relic status which would probably explain the higher price too. Also the fact that these amps have been proven to be amazing, at least the modded and pre Brad era ones.

 

[braintheory]

It has an amazing upper mid growl that I’ve not heard matched in any other amp I’ve tried yet.

That right there defines the Cameron Aldrich in my opinion. There is this tone, frequency, sound, whatever, that I know is there when I've heard it and can't even describe it to someone. It is like when you hear it, it sounds like a racecar engine or something and is amazing but like you said, I have never heard another amp be able to mimic that.

I always tell people here on the forum that my Cameron Aldrich fanboi stuff started after watching the DVD "DIO: Live in NYC". Once I heard Doug Aldrich playing that amp, I couldn't get that tone out of my head.

Yeah that growl it has is super addictive. That’s probably why I find myself playing it way more often than my ccv or Wizard mtl

 

[psychodave]

I think that growl is all in how you set up the amp. I can get that growl out of my CCV with ease. However I do understand the smoothness the CCV can also get.

Ignoring the pedal issue, listen to my CCV in the beginning of this clip. It has that modded Marshall growl.

https://youtu.be/loY8G45AoN8

 

[FourT6and2]

I think that growl is all in how you set up the amp. I can get that growl out of my CCV with ease. However I do understand the smoothness the CCV can also get.

Ignoring the pedal issue, listen to my CCV in the beginning of this clip. It has that modded Marshall growl.

https://youtu.be/loY8G45AoN8

Sounds pretty good, Dave. What speakers?

I guess that secret preamp is the secret huh lol

 

[psychodave]

I think that growl is all in how you set up the amp. I can get that growl out of my CCV with ease. However I do understand the smoothness the CCV can also get.

Ignoring the pedal issue, listen to my CCV in the beginning of this clip. It has that modded Marshall growl.

https://youtu.be/loY8G45AoN8

Sounds pretty good, Dave. What speakers?

I guess that secret preamp is the secret huh lol

Haha. The secret preamp was only on for a little bit . It is a cool echoplex type pedal, but I much prefer the Badgerplex EP pedal.

I’m using what I always use, Celestion G12H-30 anniversary speakers.

 

[braintheory]

I agree that the ccv can growl if set up right, especially with certain pickups, speakers, etc, but still not to the level of his modded Marshall’s (especially my Aldrich). And it still has that filtered, less organic sound (that modern amps tend to have) imo no matter what you do (it was there in that clip too). Likewise I can do things to get my Aldrich to be tighter, but nowhere near enough to match the ccv.

I prefer to just use these amps for what they do best. I use my Aldrich or Atomica when I want a fire breather and my ccv when I want super tight palm mutes