Help with recording

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Hoping for some input

So im trying to do recording on my own.

I have an sm57 and condensor. Gave it another whirl to mix the two. No filters or anything. May be out of phase for all i know but its better than what I had been doing.

It might have been ambitious I should probably get one mic right first. But hoping to get
1. Some feedback on good/bad of sound with isolated guitar

In particular I want it a bit bright but worried about gain high end and presence.

2. Ableton lite. Is there something easier or better to help with mixing? Or tips tricks what to reference how to eliminate some of the issues?

3. Mic placement. This is dv77s with a few different amps. Sm57 roughly cone to dust cap ish. Condenser 2 inches max further away and about the same placement.

4. Eq. I could dial back gain. But any other eq tips or anything sounding wonky. And honestly I can't tell if im using pan right in my stuff.











https://m.soundcloud.com/gritstogroats/test-amps-1-no-pan-but-mix

Test 1 has like 3 amps and I think one playthrought with a boost/od. Test 2 3 other amps. Same riff generally. I don't know how to do the whole clean recording reamp thing yet. When I was active we'd have a friend do the sound work I know little and am trying to learn.

Anyways appreciate anyone's feedback.
 
I reckon the "test 1 amps" clips will likely mix better - i.e. cut through more-easily.

You gots ta have a bit o' hair on things for mixing.

That said, the test 2 sounds might be able to be rescued with EQ, but as you'd prolly know, it's preferable to have those frequencies already-there than to try to unnaturally coax them out of something dull.

Just MHO mate.
 
I reckon the "test 1 amps" clips will likely mix better - i.e. cut through more-easily.

You gots ta have a bit o' hair on things for mixing.

That said, the test 2 sounds might be able to be rescued with EQ, but as you'd prolly know, it's preferable to have those frequencies already-there than to try to unnaturally coax them out of something dull.

Just MHO mate.
Thank you
I want and need the Opinions. This is really helpful.

Test 2 I muzzled. I neutered the high end. I worried about the line between shrill and good. Those amps have a lot more give.

Ill mess around with volume on my own time. See if chatgpi can tell me how to pan. But going to trust my ears more on the eq.

Thank you monkeyman. You are good people.
 
Dual rectifier in particular I thought was going to be too much and relistening now its not bad.
 
Double your guitar and pan left and right . So it’s sounds like what you’re use to hearing on albums . The guys here will give you great advice
 
Test 2 I muzzled. I neutered the high end. I worried about the line between shrill and good. Those amps have a lot more give.
Yeah... don't worry about the shrill thing. Maybe aim for hairy - a bit o' scratchy grit in the high end, so not shrill in that it shouldn't be offensive, IOW no obvious peaks in the EQ / spectral "readout". Another way of putting it - IMHO you don't want obvious resonances in the high end. That scratchy grit needs to come off natural, like it's a '70s cranked Plexi or sumpin'. To be clear, I'm talking only about the high end. Any amp will do in-theory.

In isolation it's not something most peeps would go for, but in-the-mix, it's what you want to help it cut through.

One other thing - try to avoid scooping the mids too much. Again, that's an in-isolation move but it sucks the life and cut-through out of a track in-the-mix. Better to target honky mids rather than the entire mid spectrum, a la smiley-face EQ.

EDIT:
Dammit, same goes for the lows. Cut that shit out until it negatively affects the overall character of the sound, then back it off a tad. "Unnecessary" lows will muddy the mix and leave you scratching your head as to why things don't sound "clear". Again, IMHO.

HTH
 
I'm gonna move this thread to the main RT sub-forum.

The more eyes see it, the more-confusing things'll get as every man and his dog chimes in. :LOL:
 
Closest to but not on the Voice Coil is the spot and right on the Grill unless your sound has a lot of bass, then pull back for less Proximity Effect to keep Highend detail. See what works best for you.

You'll find that the Condenser just doesn't have the bite for a Rock Guitar Tone.. But it could fill out the sound and make the 57 less crusty. I'd try putting it roughly in the same spot but on the other side so you can fit both Mics in there.. An inch or 2 back is fine because it's faster than a Dynamic Mic so it won't be out of Phase..

Blend in the Condenser just a little.


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these guitars sound plenty solid as is, and probably would be even better if you did a proper double track with each guitar panned 100% left and right. i would say go on youtube and find a backing track of songs with tone you like, convert the video to wav and then record over it, its the best way to get an idea what you need to do EQ wise, which is gonna change drastically with drums and bass.
 
Hoping for some input

So im trying to do recording on my own.

I have an sm57 and condensor. Gave it another whirl to mix the two. No filters or anything. May be out of phase for all i know but its better than what I had been doing.

It might have been ambitious I should probably get one mic right first. But hoping to get
1. Some feedback on good/bad of sound with isolated guitar

In particular I want it a bit bright but worried about gain high end and presence.

2. Ableton lite. Is there something easier or better to help with mixing? Or tips tricks what to reference how to eliminate some of the issues?

3. Mic placement. This is dv77s with a few different amps. Sm57 roughly cone to dust cap ish. Condenser 2 inches max further away and about the same placement.

4. Eq. I could dial back gain. But any other eq tips or anything sounding wonky. And honestly I can't tell if im using pan right in my stuff.











https://m.soundcloud.com/gritstogroats/test-amps-1-no-pan-but-mix

Test 1 has like 3 amps and I think one playthrought with a boost/od. Test 2 3 other amps. Same riff generally. I don't know how to do the whole clean recording reamp thing yet. When I was active we'd have a friend do the sound work I know little and am trying to learn.

Anyways appreciate anyone's feedback.

Take the 57 and put it dead center on the upper left speker of the 4x12 as close to the grille as possible, without touching it and then move it an inch to the left and start from there. If it's to dull move it a tiny bit towards the centre if it's too bright move it a little bit to the left. To get mics in phase you should put the diaphragma of the mics at the same distance to speaker and record a short percussive part. Strings damped, tok,tok,tok-style and check it by making the tracks big aka zoom in and see if they go up and down at the same time. You can get it as close as a few samples if you zoom in enough. I tried to explain it as good as possible. I don't know your recording-knowledge.
 
Double your guitar and pan left and right . So it’s sounds like what you’re use to hearing on albums . The guys here will give you great advice
This is the place i want to get advice and luckily I have no shame in saying I never learned this stuff
 
Yeah... don't worry about the shrill thing. Maybe aim for hairy - a bit o' scratchy grit in the high end, so not shrill in that it shouldn't be offensive, IOW no obvious peaks in the EQ / spectral "readout". Another way of putting it - IMHO you don't want obvious resonances in the high end. That scratchy grit needs to come off natural, like it's a '70s cranked Plexi or sumpin'. To be clear, I'm talking only about the high end. Any amp will do in-theory.

In isolation it's not something most peeps would go for, but in-the-mix, it's what you want to help it cut through.

One other thing - try to avoid scooping the mids too much. Again, that's an in-isolation move but it sucks the life and cut-through out of a track in-the-mix. Better to target honky mids rather than the entire mid spectrum, a la smiley-face EQ.

EDIT:
Dammit, same goes for the lows. Cut that shit out until it negatively affects the overall character of the sound, then back it off a tad. "Unnecessary" lows will muddy the mix and leave you scratching your head as to why things don't sound "clear". Again, IMHO.

HTH
I had no filters. Low is harder for me overall.

After this exercise and help I think I have an idea on this stuff.

That said car does OK with some sounds (low) and frfr + cell phone are not good. That might be to taste and a learning curve
 
Closest to but not on the Voice Coil is the spot and right on the Grill unless your sound has a lot of bass, then pull back for less Proximity Effect to keep Highend detail. See what works best for you.

You'll find that the Condenser just doesn't have the bite for a Rock Guitar Tone.. But it could fill out the sound and make the 57 less crusty. I'd try putting it roughly in the same spot but on the other side so you can fit both Mics in there.. An inch or 2 back is fine because it's faster than a Dynamic Mic so it won't be out of Phase..

Blend in the Condenser just a little.


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Not to be dense but condensor like a part on the speaker or something else? I know dust caps and cones tbh.
 
these guitars sound plenty solid as is, and probably would be even better if you did a proper double track with each guitar panned 100% left and right. i would say go on youtube and find a backing track of songs with tone you like, convert the video to wav and then record over it, its the best way to get an idea what you need to do EQ wise, which is gonna change drastically with drums and bass.

Thanks man. I think this was a good exercise. It was a bit amateurish sounding. A bit low volume. But now I know more about double tracks it seems to make quite the difference.

One step at a time. First learn this. Then add the rest one at a time. I figure if I get guitar right I have my anchor
 
Not to be dense but condensor like a part on the speaker or something else? I know dust caps and cones tbh.
He's saying try the condenser mics in the exact same spot as the 57

Either mirrored on the same speaker or on another speaker, but then pull back a couple inches so you get more emphasis on the lows with it

Then blend that mic with the 57 to taste to balance out the aggressiveness of the 57
 
Take the 57 and put it dead center on the upper left speker of the 4x12 as close to the grille as possible, without touching it and then move it an inch to the left and start from there. If it's to dull move it a tiny bit towards the centre if it's too bright move it a little bit to the left. To get mics in phase you should put the diaphragma of the mics at the same distance to speaker and record a short percussive part. Strings damped, tok,tok,tok-style and check it by making the tracks big aka zoom in and see if they go up and down at the same time. You can get it as close as a few samples if you zoom in enough. I tried to explain it as good as possible. I don't know your recording-knowledge.

Your comment highlights my need to set up monitors properly. Everything got pushed into the same room. So even for a metronome I blast my ears. I need to move some stuff and get longer cords so I can listen.
 
Not to be dense but condensor like a part on the speaker or something else? I know dust caps and cones tbh.
Condensers are a type of microphone. So-called because they use a capacitor made of flexible film to pick up sound vibrations, and capacitors used to be called "condensers". Sometimes still are, but rarely.
 
Condensers are a type of microphone. So-called because they use a capacitor made of flexible film to pick up sound vibrations, and capacitors used to be called "condensers". Sometimes still are, but rarely.

He said he had a condenser mic in the OP so I thought he was familiar with what they are now im confused 🤔
 
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