I finally understand

[BrentSSL]

Ok so I got a chance to test the high gain channels of my Mark V against my Mesa Dual Rev F with a decent guitar and there is no way to describe the presence the Rev F while you are in the room with it. I completely understand why I could never get the Mark V to duplicate that now I am sorry if I had a few too many posts on this subject. The only problem I have with all rectifiers is that they sound like they have a blanket over the speaker cab and vesatility is in question but the Rev F also has a vey usable clean channel for what I would need. As for the Mark V I just don't know anymore I have been playing it in a apartment until last saturday I jammed with this band I was trying out for and the Mark just seems like its missing something. Its not full like the rectifier and does not seem to push air as much like its missing power and it sounds processed to my ears. I really don't think its the MKVs fault it does sound good tracks great just not doing what I want it to do. I think my ears are just more accustomed to the rectifier sound. I am gonna try and edit out 2 decent parts of the recordings I did with a handheld band recorder btw and post them. I really don't know how to do that but its time to lear I will post some pics of the Rev F soon it needs retolexed so that will be fun

If I don't keep the Rev F (30 days) and sell the MarkV I am thinking the Rhodes Gemini or the PRS Archon or going back to the 3channel and EMGs or maybe move to the Roadster thoughts and opinions please

 

[Racerxrated]

Everyone seems to love the Rhodes products, but the Archon is hit or miss with guys. Never played either.....

 

[chunktone]

Ya, I've heard several clips of the markV that got me pretty interested, but I was not impressed with it in person.

 

[fuzzyguitars]

I played the 5 on numerous occasions

Meh.....

I actually have a Gemini coming


So we.ll see,

 

[Steinmetzify]

Ok so I got a chance to test the high gain channels of my Mark V against my Mesa Dual Rev F with a decent guitar and there is no way to describe the presence the Rev F while you are in the room with it. I completely understand why I could never get the Mark V to duplicate that now I am sorry if I had a few too many posts on this subject. The only problem I have with all rectifiers is that they sound like they have a blanket over the speaker cab and vesatility is in question but the Rev F also has a vey usable clean channel for what I would need. As for the Mark V I just don't know anymore I have been playing it in a apartment until last saturday I jammed with this band I was trying out for and the Mark just seems like its missing something. Its not full like the rectifier and does not seem to push air as much like its missing power and it sounds processed to my ears. I really don't think its the MKVs fault it does sound good tracks great just not doing what I want it to do. I think my ears are just more accustomed to the rectifier sound. I am gonna try and edit out 2 decent parts of the recordings I did with a handheld band recorder btw and post them. I really don't know how to do that but its time to lear I will post some pics of the Rev F soon it needs retolexed so that will be fun

If I don't keep the Rev F (30 days) and sell the MarkV I am thinking the Rhodes Gemini or the PRS Archon or going back to the 3channel and EMGs or maybe move to the Roadster thoughts and opinions please

You love the sound/feel of the Rec, keep the Rec...nothing else is gonna sound or feel like one. As far as your problem above, 10 band in the loop. Seriously...it'll take the blanket right off the cab. That's what it's for. Thank me later.

 

[siggy14]

They really are two different beasts, the rectifier is more modern with more frequency response, where the Mark V slices up the middle more like classic amps.

The blanket effect you here is the lack of upper mids compared to other amps, but the rectifiers have plenty of low mids and it is important to keep them up, I keep mine set around 1 oclock. Funny thing is the rectifiers have more upper frequencies then the Marks and Stilettos yet everyone considers the mark and stiletto series really bright amps and that has to do with the amount of in your face upper mids but they lack the top end of the rectifier.

Cab is also a big thing, a lot of people that complain of blanket have a true straight front so they are missing the high end as it is beaming at their ankles and knees.

 

[reverymike]

Brent, did you try the Rev F in Orange Hi Gain mode? It's freakin' awesome. You'll never want to use your Red channel again. Unfortunately, that kills your clean channel though, which is the issue I'm having. I wish I could get the Red channel modded to be a great clean channel, but I don't think it's possible because it shares a lot from the other channel.

 

[BrentSSL]

Thanks for the responses guys

Chunktone-love your profile pic lol and yeah the clips got me going too but in a live or practice setting the Mark Five to me gets lost in the mix if you are the second guitarist playing Rythm because you have to scoop so much mid range for it to sound good you might as well have a rectifier.

Fuzzyguitars-clips if you can and if you live in ohio let me know I want to hear one in person lol

Steinmetzify-I had a ten band in the loop of my 3 channel and it did some good things some not so good things. Do you think an eq in the loop of the Rev F is the better way to go? Because i am still considering going back to the 3 channel for more versatility wise the non multi fizz watt version that is.

Siggy14-I am using an angled mesa cab considering getting into something different for the 2 channel I was thinking about the uber cab any other suggestions? Also I always run my mids on my rectos under 12 if I turn it up what does that sound like lol I need to try it I won't lose that liquid metal awsomeness will I?

reverymike-I have done that with the rack mount and until I read your post I had forgotten about that whole reason I sold the rack mount to get the MarkV was to have the clean channel and 2 awsome channels. But the MarkV is not so awsome in comparison I feel compared to the rectifier but now that puts me back into the quandrey awsome 2 channel tone and another amp? 4 cable method? ugh argh why can't there be an amp that does it all.

Seriously thank you I finally feel like I am getting somewhere thats better fincancially rig wise and allyour info is helping aid my decision in having great tone and saving a few much needed dollars.

 

[Steinmetzify]

Steinmetzify-I had a ten band in the loop of my 3 channel and it did some good things some not so good things. Do you think an eq in the loop of the Rev F is the better way to go? Because i am still considering going back to the 3 channel for more versatility wise the non multi fizz watt version that is.

Dude it's a cheap fix to try.....that and a boost in front. Both can be had used and both are cheaper than buying a new amp chasing something you don't know it possesses. I love Rectos and they can be dialed in for almost anything, but the 10 band and the boost help a lot. Also, I don't know how much experience you've had with Mesas, but I always advise everyone to RTFM....it's basic as hell but it helps a LOT. People from other amp camps try and dial Mesas the same as Marshalls/whatever and it doesn't work. The presence and treble controls have a lot to do with everything else, MUCH more so than other amps do. Dial with your EARS, not the numbers on the dials.

If you really need help, hit up Dan The Mailman.....he's a Mesa guy and can help too. Good luck.

 

[the4thlast1]

I've owned a lot of Rectos. My favorite was a Rev F triple ....way better responding than a three channel IMO, the revF low-end was much tighter and faster. I also owned a MarkV and yes to me it sounds a lot smaller than any Rectifier , I also didn't care for the tone all that much. I would personally stick with the revF. I think it also sounds great with a tubescreamer type pedal in front, level up gain down.

 

[RJF]

I would NEVER dump a 2ch for a 3ch unless I could only have one amp and needed a full 3 channels..... and could play on the 3ch first before buying. I had a pretty crappy dual 3ch, and have a buddy with a triple 3ch that is actually pretty good.

A rev F with a boost in the front is tough to beat.

 

[BrentSSL]

the4thlast1 I couldn't agree more that just seems to be the money tone for me the old dual recs just feel like home

RJF thank you for not busting my balls too much on this I know I was irritating you before and I could not agree more with you I will post pics of my rev F when I sign up for photo bucket lol

 

[fretout]

the4thlast1 I couldn't agree more that just seems to be the money tone for me the old dual recs just feel like home

RJF thank you for not busting my balls too much on this I know I was irritating you before and I could not agree more with you I will post pics of my rev F when I sign up for photo bucket lol

If you like the way the 2 Channel recto sounds; KEEP IT! If you are looking to improve the tone of the Recto, the most powerful tool you can find is going to be the EQ Pedal. Throw it in the loop and adjust the parameters until the amp responds the way you want it to!