IK Multimedia "Brown" Sig Collection

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For the Nerds, they got the guy who obsesses over the tone to partner with them.. Sounds good but still missing tube depth imo.

 
Thanks for posting that video, man!

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For somebody that wants the album tone without collecting all the gear, I suspect they will sell alot of these. The tone is quite close, it may miss all the attributes of an actual tube amp but I think this sounds better than a Kemper.
 
I am not really into that tone, but I do think the videos sound good for that sound.

I have been super impressed with ToneX. I have been using it more and more lately. I think it has the best dynamics of the digital units I have used. Very hard to tell the difference when using into a poweramp and cab vs my tube amps. It will probably be even closer once I get a better computer and capture my own amps.
 
JohnnyGtar said:
Another demo of the new ToneX 78-79:

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The ToneX captures have that telltale plexi clank, warmth and dynamics on the attack of the strings more than any other digital product that I have heard so far. I am impressed. Usually I can pick out something digital but this Tonex is harder for me to distinguish.
 
I can definitely see how my marketing is WAY behind haha
 
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So Jim pulled V4 and V5 power tubes and runs the amp on V7 V8 only a pull operation in a push pull circuit......now that's a first. :eek::p I remember people doing the one power tube thing many years back and I thought that was crazy as well even though they swore by it.

If that were indeed the case that would explain Ed supposedly replacing alot of output transformers cited in a all the interviews, but then he would still need to slave to get the volume back live.

I can't deny Jim seems to have captured the tone and like he said he has tried every single urban legend out there and this is what he arrived at and the tone does seem to be there but on his original Brown Sound quest video he did pull two tubes correctly and that clip sounded equally great still running the amp in push/pull operation.

I'm pretty happy with how close a heavily variaced stock or close to stock Marshall plexi/superlead sounds so I won't be pulling V4 and V5 since I like my output transformer the way it is.....but it's cool to hear what Jim did to get those 78/79 captures!:2thumbsup:
 
dead-pan said:
I can definitely see how my marketing is WAY behind haha
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Imagine how many more units Line 6 and Fractal would sell if they just marketed a brown sound factory patch?! :D


The most elusive tone that I've yet to find is Allan Holdsworth's smooth, sax-like, clear, articulate, glassy lead tone. Not that I can play anything remotely Holdsworth-y, I just dig that sound.
 
harddriver said:
So Jim pulled V4 and V5 power tubes and runs the amp on V7 V8 only a pull operation in a push pull circuit......now that's a first. :eek::p I remember people doing the one power tube thing many years back and I thought that was crazy as well even though they swore by it.

If that were indeed the case that would explain Ed supposedly replacing alot of output transformers cited in a all the interviews, but then he would still need to slave to get the volume back live.

I can't deny Jim seems to have captured the tone and like he said he has tried every single urban legend out there and this is what he arrived at and the tone does seem to be there but on his original Brown Sound quest video he did pull two tubes correctly and that clip sounded equally great still running the amp in push/pull operation.

I'm pretty happy with how close a heavily variaced stock or close to stock Marshall plexi/superlead sounds so I won't be pulling V4 and V5 since I like my output transformer the way it is.....but it's cool to hear what Jim did to get those 78/79 captures!:2thumbsup:
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i’m not nearly the VH rabbit holer some of you guys are but i find it very interesting that i stumbled on to certain elements he’s mentioned like 250k v 500k volume pots and using a tom holmes 450 7.8k neck pickup in my bridge position simply because that’s all there was available to me at that moment in time. i ended up liking the outcome and stuck with it. very much in the spirit of evh early years.
 
mentoneman said:
i’m not nearly the VH rabbit holer some of you guys are but i find it very interesting that i stumbled on to certain elements he’s mentioned like 250k v 500k volume pots and using a tom holmes 450 7.8k neck pickup in my bridge position simply because that’s all there was available to me at that moment in time. i ended up liking the outcome and stuck with it. very much in the spirit of evh early years.
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I do like the Duncan WLH with the rough cast short A-5 but it's like 8.7K and my 78 model is still a great pickup. Maybe I'll try a 250K pot with my 7.8K Steckel and see if I like that.

All those boutique pickups and Jim uses a neck gibson 57 classic with a 250K pot.......
 
rsm said:
Imagine how many more units Line 6 and Fractal would sell if they just marketed a brown sound factory patch?! :D


The most elusive tone that I've yet to find is Allan Holdsworth's smooth, sax-like, clear, articulate, glassy lead tone. Not that I can play anything remotely Holdsworth-y, I just dig that sound.
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+1 Holdsworth. particularly late 80s-early 90s boogie era tone live with Gary Husband on drums was like an alien rock concert!







 
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harddriver said:
I do like the Duncan WLH with the rough cast short A-5 but it's like 8.7K and my 78 model is still a great pickup. Maybe I'll try a 250K pot with my 7.8K Steckel and see if I like that.

All those boutique pickups and Jim uses a neck gibson 57 classic with a 250K pot.......
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while speaking with Tom on the phone when i ordered my pickup from him, i mentioned i wasn’t a fan of the 57/57+ classic. Tom then told me he helped design those pickups with Gibson. oops my bad!
imo they didn’t sound like a holmes to me. too much scratchy treble bite and thin by comparison.
 
mentoneman said:
while speaking with Tom on the phone when i ordered my pickup from him, i mentioned i wasn’t a fan of the 57/57+ classic. Tom then told me he helped design those pickups with Gibson. oops my bad!
imo they didn’t sound like a holmes to me. too much scratchy treble bite and thin by comparison.
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Just because Tom holmes helped design doesn't mean they were built to his exacting standards necessarily.

Well... a 250K pot would kind off offset alot of that brittle scratchy treble and thicken it up some.....maybe Mr. Gaustad has a point on the 250K pot and you have found it works good as well:2thumbsup:.......I'm still not gonna pull my V4 V5 power tube to see if the amp gets even more distorted and sounds a little broken via Ossie Ahsen's description no matter how close it may be.....:LOL::no:

I mean when you got guys like Jacob Deraps getting 99.5 percent of the tone from a unvariaced 2024/5 stock Marshall plexi with Vietnam transformers how much more do you need. I do appreciate Jim's going down every single possible rabbit hole and sharing what he feels is the most pragmatic explanations and solutions to his ears, and it sounds really good to mine as well so kudos to him.

I disagree with Jim on one thing... there is tons of evidence that Ed was slaving live on the 78 tour, whether he did it in the studio? We'll never truly know and like Jim say you have to go by your own ears and get what you like personally. Lot's of ways to that tone IMHO with a good amp.:yes:
 
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harddriver said:
I do like the Duncan WLH with the rough cast short A-5 but it's like 8.7K and my 78 model is still a great pickup. Maybe I'll try a 250K pot with my 7.8K Steckel and see if I like that.

All those boutique pickups and Jim uses a neck gibson 57 classic with a 250K pot.......
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So VOL thing, is it one Vol pot no tone and humbucker wired to 250K? If that's the case, I think I like that too. Adds some chewiness.
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
So VOL thing, is it one Vol pot no tone and humbucker wired to 250K? If that's the case, I think I like that too. Adds some chewiness.
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Yep, single pot no tone control...........Gaustads premise is Ed wired his strat with a standard Fender 250K strat pot and liked that better than a 500K. Maybe it was one of those happy accidents..............with a bright pickup with a shrill unpleasant high end it would help things:dunno: Also some of those Gibson pots were 300K as well from what I have read.
 
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