stephen sawall
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I played on one a few weeks ago. Nice amp. Congratulations
Tone Monster
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Don’t plug it in and you’ll be fine.
#noFires
#noFires
rsm
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HNAD and enjoy!
JerEvil
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Nice! I played a MK1 ages ago when I played the Milwaukee Metal Fest and the synergy module which sucks. Pretty stoked for this for sure though.
I have no ideas what this means
ZEEGLER
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Congrats! I'm kinda looking into an Engl myself. What's the difference between the Savage and Invader?
Techdeth
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I know Marshall guys like invader more savage
JerEvil
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Invader is 4 actual individual channels. Invader has 4. Channels across 2 shared EQ’s.
Speeddemon
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Since I own both, lemme chime in.
As others said, Invader has 4 individual channels with a low and high gain mode for each. 2 Master volumes (handy for leads) and overall Presence and Depth controls.
Channel 3 has the Engl rhythm tone goods. Channel 1 is beautiful chimey clean that stays really clean in low gain more and high gain mode adds some grit, low crunch.
Channel 2 is a smoother take on Marshall-y tones. It's less raw and thicker. Goes from classic rock gain up to modded, hotrodded 800's, but while the gain range it spans is near perfect, it lacks some 'kerrang'.
Channel 4 is a true lead channel, but IMO the most lackluster; too saturated and wooly thick. It's too much Santana and not enough of what made Engl famous in the first place.
Now, the Savage 60 (MKI) is more bare bones, a bit more dry and a lot rawer sounding, with still a lot of saturation.
As its a simpler amp than the one @JerEvil has, it's 2 channels with shared EQ, individual presence knobs (very handy!) and Depth Boost switches and while it has a gain knob per channel, the rhythm channels' gain affects the lead channel. And there are switches per channel for a gain boost, unfortunately not footswitchable.
Individual channel volumes and a master volume.
The cool thing is, because of those interactive gains, you can set it up for a lot of duties. Really clean + 80s lead tones, Malcolm and Angus, JCM800ish and high gain tight Marshall... All possible.
Speeddemon
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Here's some pics.
I had the SE EL34 for a while too, A/B-d it a lot with the Invader. The SE did some things better than the Invader, but one of my biggest gripes with it, was that the interval (or gain jump) for the high gain mode, wasn't chosen as nicely as on the Invader.
For the Invader it's sooo good, you pretty much have 8 base tones on the 4 channels. I've set up the Z-9 footswitch so that Function 1 toggles lo/hi gain and Function 2 toggles FX-Loop 1/2 (where I've set FX-Loop 1 100% dry and #2 100% wet, so it acts as a true bypass loop for my fx-loop pedals). But if you double switch the Channel switches on the Z-9, you toggle between Master A and B, which you can use as a solo volume boost.
I'm pretty sure all this functionality is available in the new Savage MKII's as well.
Another cool thing is the Noise gate; if you turn it on whilst on Channel 2, 3 or 4, the amp will remember that and automatically turn it off if you go to the Clean channel (CH1) and turn it on again, once you go to one of the drive channels. Pretty nifty if you ask me.
If the Invader's Channel 4 was like Lead II of the SE EL34 and Invader's Channel 2 was more like the old school Savage tone in terms of Marshall-esque rawness, it could've been a desert island amp. The cleans are amongst the best of a high gain multi-channel amp.
My other faves are the Mesa Mark cleans and those of the Diezel DMoll. (But the Diezel's gain channels had some woofy low-mid saturation I wanted to get rid off, but couldn't dial out, so I skipped on that one; otherwise it would've been a great amp for me, function wise.) Likewise for the Mesa Mark IV; if R2 on that amp was anything like the lil' V:25's Crunch mode, it would've been desert island amp material too.
As a history; I bought my 1st Savage MKI somewhere around 2003-ish.... sold it in 2007 to fund the Invader purchase + an Engl 4x12 Pro cab. There was a bunch of functionality that I use a lot, live, that the Savage didn't have and the Invader did.
Then 10 years later I bought another Savage 60 MKI; this time without the stand-by button, because I missed that tone from the Invader.
And I'm not letting this one go; it's my #1 practice amp at home on a Marshall 1966B 2x12 (Mesa V30 + '86 T75).
I had the SE EL34 for a while too, A/B-d it a lot with the Invader. The SE did some things better than the Invader, but one of my biggest gripes with it, was that the interval (or gain jump) for the high gain mode, wasn't chosen as nicely as on the Invader.
For the Invader it's sooo good, you pretty much have 8 base tones on the 4 channels. I've set up the Z-9 footswitch so that Function 1 toggles lo/hi gain and Function 2 toggles FX-Loop 1/2 (where I've set FX-Loop 1 100% dry and #2 100% wet, so it acts as a true bypass loop for my fx-loop pedals). But if you double switch the Channel switches on the Z-9, you toggle between Master A and B, which you can use as a solo volume boost.
I'm pretty sure all this functionality is available in the new Savage MKII's as well.
Another cool thing is the Noise gate; if you turn it on whilst on Channel 2, 3 or 4, the amp will remember that and automatically turn it off if you go to the Clean channel (CH1) and turn it on again, once you go to one of the drive channels. Pretty nifty if you ask me.
If the Invader's Channel 4 was like Lead II of the SE EL34 and Invader's Channel 2 was more like the old school Savage tone in terms of Marshall-esque rawness, it could've been a desert island amp. The cleans are amongst the best of a high gain multi-channel amp.
My other faves are the Mesa Mark cleans and those of the Diezel DMoll. (But the Diezel's gain channels had some woofy low-mid saturation I wanted to get rid off, but couldn't dial out, so I skipped on that one; otherwise it would've been a great amp for me, function wise.) Likewise for the Mesa Mark IV; if R2 on that amp was anything like the lil' V:25's Crunch mode, it would've been desert island amp material too.
As a history; I bought my 1st Savage MKI somewhere around 2003-ish.... sold it in 2007 to fund the Invader purchase + an Engl 4x12 Pro cab. There was a bunch of functionality that I use a lot, live, that the Savage didn't have and the Invader did.
Then 10 years later I bought another Savage 60 MKI; this time without the stand-by button, because I missed that tone from the Invader.
And I'm not letting this one go; it's my #1 practice amp at home on a Marshall 1966B 2x12 (Mesa V30 + '86 T75).
