rsm
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https://internationalman.com/articles/wheres-your-loyalty/
"Wherever liberty is, there is my country." - Benjamin Franklin
"Wherever liberty is, there is my country." - Benjamin Franklin
JackBootedThug
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God, family, country.....imo....
rsm
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Paraphrasing from the article in my OP:
Loyalty is two ways, 1) individual citizens to their government; 2) government to its' individual citizens. Neither should be or need to be coerced.
What if your country evolves or moves away from it's founding governing principles and ideals, increasingly infringes on your individual rights?
Successive governments in the US have continued to degrade the original concept of a republic, states rights, individual rights, etc., until, today, the great majority of individual rights have been lost by Americans.
In the early 20th century, many Germans continued to be loyal to Germany and to / through successive governments including the Third Reich. In many cases (third reich, soviet union, maoist China, castro's Cuba, etc.) loyalty was coerced through threats of government violence upon the individual citizen.
For many of these countries, one of the first acts was to prevent citizens from leaving the country. Anyone remember people in East Berlin trying to run to freedom in West Berlin through barbed wire, obstacles and under machine gun fire? Not all made it. During covid, many western "democracies" prevented their citizens from leaving, and some prevented their own citizens from returning.
Like I said, Indifference works for me, but I think it's worth questioning our own assumptions and beliefs as the world around us changes and presents challenges to our existing world view, assumptions and beliefs. If not, we risk becoming like the very NPCs incapable of logic, reason and introspection...and self-awareness and situational awareness.
IMO.
Loyalty is two ways, 1) individual citizens to their government; 2) government to its' individual citizens. Neither should be or need to be coerced.
What if your country evolves or moves away from it's founding governing principles and ideals, increasingly infringes on your individual rights?
Successive governments in the US have continued to degrade the original concept of a republic, states rights, individual rights, etc., until, today, the great majority of individual rights have been lost by Americans.
In the early 20th century, many Germans continued to be loyal to Germany and to / through successive governments including the Third Reich. In many cases (third reich, soviet union, maoist China, castro's Cuba, etc.) loyalty was coerced through threats of government violence upon the individual citizen.
For many of these countries, one of the first acts was to prevent citizens from leaving the country. Anyone remember people in East Berlin trying to run to freedom in West Berlin through barbed wire, obstacles and under machine gun fire? Not all made it. During covid, many western "democracies" prevented their citizens from leaving, and some prevented their own citizens from returning.
Like I said, Indifference works for me, but I think it's worth questioning our own assumptions and beliefs as the world around us changes and presents challenges to our existing world view, assumptions and beliefs. If not, we risk becoming like the very NPCs incapable of logic, reason and introspection...and self-awareness and situational awareness.
IMO.
FokenBusker
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COVID serfdom done fucked a lot of people up, I almost want another lockdown just I can have a vacation from them
rsm
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It's a great way to identify the NPCs around us. My favorite was the ones wearing a mask alone in their car.
84superchamp
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I would guess a majority of the world population loves their country but hates their government. It’s seems to be an impossible task to improve that.
JackBootedThug
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the sovereign citizens get some things right....but damn are most of them fuckin rere's or what? All boils down to more security, less freedom. Also low IQ shitheads that are products of our fucked up higher education system are in charge making decisions now. And for some reason we have to stick our noses in everything-everywhere. General Smedley was right. Everyone should read his book. Legit warrior and a true patriot....God rest his soul. I'm sure I spelled his name wrong....lol...and sorry for rambling.... 
84superchamp
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The real trouble starts when a politico says “let’s fix this”.the sovereign citizens get some things right....but damn are most of them fuckin rere's or what? All boils down to more security, less freedom. Also low IQ shitheads that are products of our fucked up higher education system are in charge making decisions now. And for some reason we have to stick our noses in everything-everywhere. General Smedley was right. Everyone should read his book. Legit warrior and a true patriot....God rest his soul. I'm sure I spelled his name wrong....lol...and sorry for rambling....
FokenBusker
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The real trouble starts when a politico arrives.
They're the biggest fucking parasites of all.
Monkey Man
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... or when he or she opens his or her mouth...
Stumplegriltskin
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I want a stronger virus that takes out 3/4 of the population. If I could press a button.......
70 Mach 1
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my loyalty?
Donald J Trump 100%
case closed
Donald J Trump 100%
case closed
DrewJD82
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1- My own personal sanity
2- Family/friends
That’s pretty much it.
I’ve been on the fence about bailing from this country for a while now. I have zero faith in our political system and think it’s better to tear it down and start over at this point. There’s some amazing things in this country, but I’m pretty sure that’s all because what came before us and has nothing to do with how it’s run now. I mean, if this country started off with the politicians we currently have in power I don’t believe we would have made it to 1800.
I started paying taxes when I was 15, have never received a handout from the government since I was no longer living with my parents as a teen and they just continuously take more from me while doing nothing to improve my life after the fact. State or Federal. I do not know of any other situation or context where this interaction would be acceptable.
Loyalty, for me, is a 2-way street.
2- Family/friends
That’s pretty much it.
I’ve been on the fence about bailing from this country for a while now. I have zero faith in our political system and think it’s better to tear it down and start over at this point. There’s some amazing things in this country, but I’m pretty sure that’s all because what came before us and has nothing to do with how it’s run now. I mean, if this country started off with the politicians we currently have in power I don’t believe we would have made it to 1800.
I started paying taxes when I was 15, have never received a handout from the government since I was no longer living with my parents as a teen and they just continuously take more from me while doing nothing to improve my life after the fact. State or Federal. I do not know of any other situation or context where this interaction would be acceptable.
Loyalty, for me, is a 2-way street.
Laputan Machine
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I think it should be towards your fellow countrymen/citizens who share the same sentiment, who want your area of living to be prosperous, well taken care of, sustainable, competitive against foreign entities, respected, lawful.
I do not believe the current power structure in the US cares about that at all, and it is entirely self serving at this point and often times completely hostile to the nation....I don't really associate the government with what makes a nation anymore. They actively promote hostility toward people, beliefs and businesses who feel nations matter and aspects like what I listed above are good things.
I don't really believe there is much of a nation though because people who share those beliefs are sort of the most common person, but they are too deracinated, isolated, distracted, incapable (mostly due to technology) at this point.
I do not believe the current power structure in the US cares about that at all, and it is entirely self serving at this point and often times completely hostile to the nation....I don't really associate the government with what makes a nation anymore. They actively promote hostility toward people, beliefs and businesses who feel nations matter and aspects like what I listed above are good things.
I don't really believe there is much of a nation though because people who share those beliefs are sort of the most common person, but they are too deracinated, isolated, distracted, incapable (mostly due to technology) at this point.
Stripped Rights
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Satan.
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