Infamous Marshall V2 cathode cap over 820k + pedals?

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Maybe it is just me but.. I like this mod for the amp on it's own yet it makes all my tubescreamer flavored pedals (which are what, 90% of all overdrives???) POP way too much and my tone bites in the highs and lacks girth. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not something i want all the time. Anyone else find that this emphasis on boosting the mids with a .68uf cap + a mid heavy pedal = annoying highs? I'm thinking i might have to scrap the cap so i can get the gain i want with the pedals.
 
You aren't boosting the mids. You're boosting the highs. You're shelving the lows at 284hz, which is basically chopping the balls off that stage in the preamp. I'd change the cap value to 1uF minimum, and probably as high as 2.2uF.
 
Thanks for the reply, I'll probably go ahead and do that. Also while we are on the subject of bypass caps, what about V1 on a 2204? I have a 1 uf over the 10k there now. Anyone try other values that they liked better?
 
Kapo_Polenton":yni8c8jl said:
Thanks for the reply, I'll probably go ahead and do that. Also while we are on the subject of bypass caps, what about V1 on a 2204? I have a 1 uf over the 10k there now. Anyone try other values that they liked better?

I love a .68uf/2.7k there.
 
Kapo_Polenton":5sye0b9x said:
Thanks for the reply, I'll probably go ahead and do that. Also while we are on the subject of bypass caps, what about V1 on a 2204? I have a 1 uf over the 10k there now. Anyone try other values that they liked better?

Try a .1uF bypass /10k or 4k7.

You could try a V1a 10k & V1b 820r/.68uF.
The .1uF v1a bypass sounds good with this circuit.
 
Sorry, I have the .1 there (not 1) and it does sound good but I wonder if that V2 bypass cap is just adding too many highs. Actually, MichaelR/T I took that value from your specs :)
 
Kapo_Polenton":sx2i6kdz said:
Sorry, I have the .1 there (not 1) and it does sound good but I wonder if that V2 bypass cap is just adding too many highs. Actually, MichaelR/T I took that value from your specs :)

You could try a .47uF V2a bypass, sounds a little darker to me then the .68uF bypass.
 
Kapo_Polenton":3nvngddf said:
I love a .68uf/2.7k there.

That doesn't get buzz chainsaw gain there? Dropping down to a 4.7k was my limit !

whoops your right. I actually I have a .68/5k. The other cathode is .68/2.7k
 
I don't use that bypass cap/resistor combo on V2a at all on my Metro '69. I still get all the aggression I need and what it does for the EQ section to me, is awesome. Bass control has a lot more effect. So I'm keeping it low when the gain's up but when my gain's down I can bring up the bass and get a much fuller and richer lower gain/clean sound. I still do split cathode on V1, which is a minimal difference at best between shared but I'm sold on no bypass setup for V2a.
 
I remember trying the .47 and digging it over a year ago.. I think the key might be to toggle switch the .1 with the .47 as well as a toggle to bring in and out that v2 cap. the sound with no pedals is awesome with the bypass setup but the highs pierce too much when boosting with a screamer. This would make for a real versatile amp though i would have to drill another hole in the chassis.... hmmmmm decisions. I already drilled for a metro loop though.
 
Treble peaking is easy to overdo when bypassing cathode loads. I wouldn't drop the cathode load of the 2nd stage below the 4.7K, because you begin losing clarity in higher gain settings. I prefer to keep it at 10k, unbypassed. Peaking early in the preamp is good for a classic hotrodded feel. Shelving around 100hz in the input stage is effective. Now keep in mind, that you can create the same shelving frequency with different cathode resistor values by adjusting your bypass accordingly. What changes is the stage bias and symmetry, which will affect the character, not necessarily the frequency response.

For instance:

the 2k7/680n arrangement previously discussed shelves at 86hz, at 6dB per octave.
You can shelve at almost the same frequency (87hz) with an 820R cathode load bypassed with a 2.2uF capacitor.
So what's the difference? Since the stage is biased hotter, and assuming the plate load remains the same, the resulting symmetry and headroom of that stage has changed, and you may like it, or you may not. You simply have to try it out.
 
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