is a diezel cab worth the money

[MikeDV]

I've got a Diezel 2x12, sounds more like a 4x12 than any other I've tried.

 

[Bad.Seed]

Better is almost always a subjective term, so I try not to use it. I have the Diezel RL V30 412 and I really dig it. It's definitely the "biggest" sounding of all my 4x12 cabs. It's a bit darker as well. I've also got a Mesa OS Slant/overhang, Marshall MF280 Straight, and Randall 412 XL slant all loaded with V30's. The Diezel sounds bigger in the lows and fuller. It also seems to have a little more high end roll off than the other cabs, which actually works well for certain amps.

I have yet to use the cab in a band setting as I got mine for $400 because it was built for a road case and does not have handles. I bought them but have been too laxy to cut the holes and install the handles, but I'll be doing it before April so I can use the cab for a local show my band has booked.

Overall, it may not be to your liking, a lot of people love the 1960 cabs just fine, so checking a Diezel cab out with your amp and guitar in person would be the best way to answer your question.

 

[nigelpkay]

I've owned a Mesa Traditional slant, and a Bogner slant both with V30s. Not a Diezel, but I think the Bogner is built the same? I thought they were all built in the same location.
I do think that both the Mesa and the Bogner are a step up from a 1960, although I do love the 1960 as well. The Mesa/Bog cabs make V30s sound very sweet and full, whereas V30s in a Marshall can be kinda harsh. I've read the Diezel cabs are also this way with V30s.

The 1960AV and BV do not carry V30 speakers. Maybe that's the main reason. Those have a so called Celesion G12 Vintage, it's a different speaker than a marshall sort of an inbreed between the T75 and V30. It has a bit more top end presence, a bit of a mid cut and the bass sounds thinner compared to a V30. It is however a good match to most Marshall amps.

I don’t think that’s true. The Marshall G12 Vintage is the original spec celestion v30 and came out in 86/87 for the jubilee line. Mesa made their own spec after that for their amps, and then celestion put out their own version (what you find off the shelf and in Orange, Bogner etc..)

Having said that, the Mesa spec is considered to be the best sounding v30 for most. Marshall’s is grittier and brighter, the off-the-shelf Celestion (now made in China) is weird sounding to me, flubby and fizzy at the same time, although seems to work well in an Orange cab.

My advice is whatever cab you get, put the Mesa v30s in it.

 

[Kagami]

My first post but I had one for a bit before sending it back due to being sent the wrong model due to MF being MF. If you are thinking about purchasing one of the FL models it will sound a bit different than a typical Marshall cab since the construction is completely different and the speakers do not have the foam or cork surround to dampen them either. (they are mounted directly frame to wood, I removed one when I had it to check if it had a gasket and it did not) I had a FL K100 cabinet for a bit and the construction was very good so from a quality perspective they are definitely up there. I've since gotten a Rivera 412 with K100s as well and I'm not a big fan of those speakers so I won't comment much on the sound other than it (Diezel) was very tight sounding. With that being said, if you can't try one in person I'd suggest ordering an FL model from a place with a generous return shipping policy as it may not suit you. Also if you want any custom options give Blad a call at BAD since they can wrap it up in whatever for you, really nice guys over there.

 

[Ventura]

I had a FL K100 Diezel cab. Didn’t like all K100... mixing in 2 v30s was a lot better. Ultimately though everything sounded a lot better through my Fryette Fat Bottom cab with Fane F70s. Even when I put Fanes in the Diezel cab it didn’t sound as good. The Diezel was still a nice cab though. I ended up selling the Diezel cab and got another Fryette cab

What exactly about the Fryette cab did you prefer to the Diezel when they had the same speakers? Which one was tighter? I heard some say the Diezel should be tightest cab out there, so I’ve been curious, but if the Fryette is even tighter, I may look for that instead

I’ve only gotten to try Diezel 4x12’s with all K100’s and also didn’t like it, but with other speakers in it I can see it being promising

The diezel cab was darker sounding, seemed to have more low-end, not boomy just seemed like added bass relative the Fryette cab. The Fryette cab seemed a little tighter, but they're both pretty tight. Hard to describe, things just sound better to me through the Fryette cab.

Fryette are fucking awesome cabs. I'm a fan of the D412 (Deliverance) and you can load it with whatever you want. The cheaper stock speaker is the P50E, the more pricey is the Fane70. But Fryette cabs are incredible - and highly HIGHLY underrated given their pricepoints both new and used. Billy Howerdel - nuff said.
As for Diezel cabs - love the German made ones. Had/have both FL and RL. For crushing, it was FL K100, but you needed to juice the amp(s) to really get those to sing. RL V30 - beautiful. The RL tempered some of the V30 spike. Great cabs - but again - I'm talking the German made ones.
For "local to North America" cabs - outside of the aforementioned Fryette, which can be tighter than a toads ass - the Bogner cabinets NEVER fail me. Ever. I run a lot of my heads through their OS412Anniversary cab, their standard 412 and love their UberKab. I'd have to say for 90% of my heavier musical tastes, the UberKab works perfectly with any high-gain fire breathing head. I love what Reinhold said about "cabs" - From the very beginning of designing my first amplifier, it was very clear that the speaker cabinet is an instrument in itself. I love my UberKabs.

But if ya wanna get yer socks knocked off without paying through the nose - go with the Fryette 412s. I find the overwhelmingly popular FatBottom to be too low-end and beamy; I dig the Deliverance model overall. Furthermore, if you're worried about the stability of these cabinets - understand they come out of the shop rated to handle 200W or more, and have both mono/stereo capabilities. No brainer IMHO.

Peace

 

[Racerxrated]

I had a FL K100 Diezel cab. Didn’t like all K100... mixing in 2 v30s was a lot better. Ultimately though everything sounded a lot better through my Fryette Fat Bottom cab with Fane F70s. Even when I put Fanes in the Diezel cab it didn’t sound as good. The Diezel was still a nice cab though. I ended up selling the Diezel cab and got another Fryette cab

What exactly about the Fryette cab did you prefer to the Diezel when they had the same speakers? Which one was tighter? I heard some say the Diezel should be tightest cab out there, so I’ve been curious, but if the Fryette is even tighter, I may look for that instead

I’ve only gotten to try Diezel 4x12’s with all K100’s and also didn’t like it, but with other speakers in it I can see it being promising

The diezel cab was darker sounding, seemed to have more low-end, not boomy just seemed like added bass relative the Fryette cab. The Fryette cab seemed a little tighter, but they're both pretty tight. Hard to describe, things just sound better to me through the Fryette cab.

Fryette are fucking awesome cabs. I'm a fan of the D412 (Deliverance) and you can load it with whatever you want. The cheaper stock speaker is the P50E, the more pricey is the Fane70. But Fryette cabs are incredible - and highly HIGHLY underrated given their pricepoints both new and used. Billy Howerdel - nuff said.
As for Diezel cabs - love the German made ones. Had/have both FL and RL. For crushing, it was FL K100, but you needed to juice the amp(s) to really get those to sing. RL V30 - beautiful. The RL tempered some of the V30 spike. Great cabs - but again - I'm talking the German made ones.
For "local to North America" cabs - outside of the aforementioned Fryette, which can be tighter than a toads ass - the Bogner cabinets NEVER fail me. Ever. I run a lot of my heads through their OS412Anniversary cab, their standard 412 and love their UberKab. I'd have to say for 90% of my heavier musical tastes, the UberKab works perfectly with any high-gain fire breathing head. I love what Reinhold said about "cabs" - From the very beginning of designing my first amplifier, it was very clear that the speaker cabinet is an instrument in itself. I love my UberKabs.

But if ya wanna get yer socks knocked off without paying through the nose - go with the Fryette 412s. I find the overwhelmingly popular FatBottom to be too low-end and beamy; I dig the Deliverance model overall. Furthermore, if you're worried about the stability of these cabinets - understand they come out of the shop rated to handle 200W or more, and have both mono/stereo capabilities. No brainer IMHO.

Peace

True stuff here..the cab is SO important, I can't tell you how many amps I ditched way before I was here on RT, and learned about matching the amp with the proper cab. Way back, I had an oversize Mesa slant with the diamond plate and trying different amps, but never the one it was made for...the Recto. Finally grabbed a nice Vintage Marshall cab with 65s and that cab worked with EVERYTHING. Later I revisited the Mesa V30 cab when bought a Mark series, another great match.
Those Mesa, Bogner and Diezel V30 cabs really make a V30 sound amazing.

 

[LightsOfSorrow86]

The 1960AV and BV do not carry V30 speakers. Maybe that's the main reason. Those have a so called Celesion G12 Vintage, it's a different speaker than a marshall sort of an inbreed between the T75 and V30. It has a bit more top end presence, a bit of a mid cut and the bass sounds thinner compared to a V30. It is however a good match to most Marshall amps.

Marshall Vintage are the original V30s, but they are the exact same speaker. Marshall uses 16 ohm and they'll always be brighter, Mesa uses 8 ohm and they are darker, smoother,. Marshall cabs are MDF, Mesa are Baltic birch, so the contruction material has an important role in the overall sound.