is this safe?

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I just got my new Budda and it is amazing except for the fact that it is so stupidly loud it peels paint! So the one solution I came up with was running my fish 'n' chips eq in the loop and turning the level slider all the way down. This allows me to get the volume up enough to sound good I just want to make sure it's safe. Also if anyone has done this how does it differ from running a hotplate or something of the like?

thanks Shane
 
Jason_86_951":3socycxf said:
Totally safe, jam away :)

Excellent, thanks! I'm still curious as to how an attenuator would differ? I imagine it would bring in some of the power tube distortion more.
 
bigangryguitar":2ao69crm said:
Jason_86_951":2ao69crm said:
Totally safe, jam away :)

Excellent, thanks! I'm still curious as to how an attenuator would differ? I imagine it would bring in some of the power tube distortion more.

All you are doing right now is applying the EQ settings to the preamp and limiting the signal, thus volume from the preamp output to the power tubes. Your EQ pedal has no bearing right now on the power section and you are not getting any additional power tube distortion. An attenuator will take the output signal from a speaker jack and attenuate the power section, so you can drive the power tubes to attenuate the overall output. Most attenuators can get really muddy though, and not sure how this amp would react with one. That's the difference.

Steve
 
steve_k":23zjbf6q said:
bigangryguitar":23zjbf6q said:
Jason_86_951":23zjbf6q said:
Totally safe, jam away :)

Excellent, thanks! I'm still curious as to how an attenuator would differ? I imagine it would bring in some of the power tube distortion more.

All you are doing right now is applying the EQ settings to the preamp and limiting the signal, thus volume from the preamp output to the power tubes. Your EQ pedal has no bearing right now on the power section and you are not getting any additional power tube distortion. An attenuator will take the output signal from a speaker jack and attenuate the power section, so you can drive the power tubes to attenuate the overall output. Most attenuators can get really muddy though, and not sure how this amp would react with one. That's the difference.

Steve

I have heard the muddy thing and that is not what I want. It sounds really nice right now and actually lets me run the master higher since the signal going into it is less if that makes sense. Getting a really nice, fat chewy lead tone with this setup so it sounds like I should leave it be. thanks for the help guys.

_Shane
 
bigangryguitar":32uinpt1 said:
steve_k":32uinpt1 said:
bigangryguitar":32uinpt1 said:
Jason_86_951":32uinpt1 said:
Totally safe, jam away :)

Excellent, thanks! I'm still curious as to how an attenuator would differ? I imagine it would bring in some of the power tube distortion more.

All you are doing right now is applying the EQ settings to the preamp and limiting the signal, thus volume from the preamp output to the power tubes. Your EQ pedal has no bearing right now on the power section and you are not getting any additional power tube distortion. An attenuator will take the output signal from a speaker jack and attenuate the power section, so you can drive the power tubes to attenuate the overall output. Most attenuators can get really muddy though, and not sure how this amp would react with one. That's the difference.

Steve

I have heard the muddy thing and that is not what I want. It sounds really nice right now and actually lets me run the master higher since the signal going into it is less if that makes sense. Getting a really nice, fat chewy lead tone with this setup so it sounds like I should leave it be. thanks for the help guys.

_Shane

HBE makes a pedal called the DETOX. It is an EQ pedal and volume limiter. With the volume all the way cranked, it is unity gain. Roll back the volume as need with it in the loop. Nice pedal to leave on all the time for rhythm and kick it off for solo's. Like having a built in boost.

As for the attenuators, I am certainly no expert. Just didn't like what I heard. Evidently, there are some better one's being built these days.

Steve
 
Totally safe for the amp, within reason. I say within reason because although the act of attenuating (by way of FX loop or post transformer) is not harmful to the amp, the human tendency to now crank the master volume to full or close to it, can be. Even then, worst thing that can happen is lowered power tube life, or bad tone. Another thing to think about is that when using a floor pedal which was designed for passive guitar signal on its input, likely has an extremely high input impedance, and ideally, the loop wants to see an primary impedance lower than typical instrument impedance by a factor of 10 or more. It may overload the input section of the pedal. Overload in this case doesn't mean you have an exploded pedal, but likely the input of the pedal or the output of the FX send circuit in the amp, can run hot and distort, the result would be poor tone. Using a piece of line level gear specifically designed for -10dB to +4dB level signal and using a relatively low impedance trimmer would be much better, assuming that you want the cleanest attenuation and least coloring.
 
no way, dont listen to these guys....it's SO unsafe...you're going to find the last horcrux and destroy the voldemort....dont do it!
 
yeti":ac33qtgg said:
no way, dont listen to these guys....it's SO unsafe...you're going to find the last horcrux and destroy the voldemort....dont do it!

damn it I was worried that would happen! thanks for all the responses guys I actually just ordered a dedicated loop volume box off ebay called a omnibox. The guy had over 4000 positive feedback marks and guarantees them for life so I figured it was safe.
 
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