Just heard this , what do ya think

[harsh59]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ygfX0BavM

I'm really digging it

 

[RaceU4her]

Already been a couple threads on these guys. It’s ok, I listened to the whole album and it was kinda meh overall

 

[harsh59]

Ok didn't know that . I did a search on Dirty Honey , went thru the first page that went back to 2009 & didn't see anything .

 

[panhead]

Sounds like Tesla sorta

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I kinda dig it.. great pipes on the guy, reasonably raw production and the drummer took some liberties to get some fills in. Checks all the boxes off but does it completely blow me away?No but i would need to hear more.

 

[skullfxr]

I must say that I totally dug it. I will check them out more.

Thanks for the tip!

 

[Monkey Man]

When I checked them out a few months ago it was on the basis of this song, which sounds like a classic, IMHO.

It turns out that for me anyway, it's by far their best effort and the rest is meh, unfortunately.

 

[Thunkful]

Why all the new stuff has really shrill and cold production and mixing compared to 70's & 80's stuff?

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Why all the new stuff has really shrill and cold production and mixing compared to 70's & 80's stuff?

Unfortunately that is the best it gets these days. Compared to what's out there, for once the production didn't completely turn me off. But to answer your question, because they use samples on everything, they quantize everything, and they turn the level up to the max which squishes all that digital audio into a smear. You don't really hear drums anymore. You hear overproduced samples layered over the kit because it is easier to get a "great" sounding "pro" recording within a lackluster drum environment. Sadly, all this stuff is compared to its peers and if everyone is doing it, you risk sounding amateur if your production isn't over produced in the same way.

 

[Thunkful]

Why all the new stuff has really shrill and cold production and mixing compared to 70's & 80's stuff?

Unfortunately that is the best it gets these days. Compared to what's out there, for once the production didn't completely turn me off. But to answer your question, because they use samples on everything, they quantize everything, and they turn the level up to the max which squishes all that digital audio into a smear. You don't really hear drums anymore. You hear overproduced samples layered over the kit because it is easier to get a "great" sounding "pro" recording within a lackluster drum environment. Sadly, all this stuff is compared to its peers and if everyone is doing it, you risk sounding amateur if your production isn't over produced in the same way.

Well samples were used even back in the 80's and the production still didn't sound shrill or cold. Maybe it's the analog recording gear or something vs digital?

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Listened to a few more tunes on youtube.. I dig the formula. They sort of sound like a few diff bands rolled into one which I like. Great singer. goes to show you that without the vox, you've got nothing.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Why all the new stuff has really shrill and cold production and mixing compared to 70's & 80's stuff?

Unfortunately that is the best it gets these days. Compared to what's out there, for once the production didn't completely turn me off. But to answer your question, because they use samples on everything, they quantize everything, and they turn the level up to the max which squishes all that digital audio into a smear. You don't really hear drums anymore. You hear overproduced samples layered over the kit because it is easier to get a "great" sounding "pro" recording within a lackluster drum environment. Sadly, all this stuff is compared to its peers and if everyone is doing it, you risk sounding amateur if your production isn't over produced in the same way.

Well samples were used even back in the 80's and the production still didn't sound shrill or cold. Maybe it's the analog recording gear or something vs digital?

Yes, everything was running through analog. That said, there were some god aweful productions then in pop and rock. I mean listen to the drums on the first Poison album. Hell even the second. Def. samples used there and they are doing anything but make Rikki look like he is a "rockett". They might as well of played his snare and kick parts on a keyboard.

 

[Goat]

Open hi-hats...

 

[RaceU4her]

Why all the new stuff has really shrill and cold production and mixing compared to 70's & 80's stuff?

Budgets. Bands aren’t spending months in top notch studios with high paid producers and engineers anymore

 

[Thunkful]

Budgets. Bands aren’t spending months in top notch studios with high paid producers and engineers anymore

This probably affects the songwriting as well. I think getting a fairly good sound with home equipment is not an impossible task, but sure having analog outboard gear + tape helps a lot.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Budgets. Bands aren’t spending months in top notch studios with high paid producers and engineers anymore

This probably affects the songwriting as well. I think getting a fairly good sound with home equipment is not an impossible task, but sure having analog outboard gear + tape helps a lot.

Enter more people "analog summing".. or if you have a budget, using good analog outboard gear like EQ and compressors which add the color.

 

[Thunkful]

Yes, everything was running through analog. That said, there were some god aweful productions then in pop and rock. I mean listen to the drums on the first Poison album. Hell even the second. Def. samples used there and they are doing anything but make Rikki look like he is a "rockett". They might as well of played his snare and kick parts on a keyboard.

Actually the Snare isn't that bad sounding on the first Poison album. But the production otherwise is pretty mediocore. And it just got worse with the 2nd album.

 

[milkchickenbomb]

Seems like they’d b fun to watch at a bar, and the production doesn’t bother me. Problem is there nothing special musically, other than we haven’t heard a Black Crowes/Tesla cover band in a few years. I’m all for tipping the hat to the bands of yesterday, but you’ve gotta do something original to make it special. This is jingle music for a credit card commercial.

 

[Thunkful]

I’m all for tipping the hat to the bands of yesterday, but you’ve gotta do something original to make it special. This is jingle music for a credit card commercial.

This also, we need bands to make again those memorable songs that will last a lifetime.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I’m all for tipping the hat to the bands of yesterday, but you’ve gotta do something original to make it special. This is jingle music for a credit card commercial.

This also, we need bands to make again those memorable songs that will last a lifetime.

Don't forget also that because so much music has already come before it, it is hard to not sound like something else or sing the same hooks or come up with something that is truly epic. There are only so many notes in a key and to write great melodies, you need certain notes to sit together. That said, too much of it sounds the same. As was already mentioned, there was a lot of variation in what was out in the 80's. Some horribly produced records and some really great ones. Now everything is just "great" so it becomes vanilla. A combination of factors really. Even the older bands we loved would be better suited recording their albums in the exact same way they did. I always wonder what some of these newer Maiden albums would sound like if they went back and recorded it with the Powerslave of Somewhere in Time setup? Maybe it would sound way better to our ears without being produced the same way everything else is now.