Mesa Cabinet inquiry

[BrentSSL]

I have a early Mesa engineering vertical 2x12 cabs. I have a early Rectoverb Head 50watt. Due to the heads size I put the can on its side. The tone changes and kind of gets mushed I'd say. Anyway someone wants to possibly trade me a horizontal Mesa 2 x12 . I'm thinking about doing it however I've had a a few Mesa 412 cabs. Wich included one more harsh sounding for a mesa cab. I have also had an Avatar can with Chinese v30s. That cab was way too harsh for the rectoverb was very shrill sounding.

Basically I wanted to know if I'd be getting less quality speakers trading for a newer cab. Or if anyone has had experience with an older Mesa cab versus a new one and if there was notable tone difference. Let me know what you guys think thank you.

 

[Racerxrated]

Pretty sure Mesa V30s are still made in England? So the only difference is the older cab will have broken in/well used V30s vs new. Now, there are differences between Recto/Traditional cabs as far as tightness vs boomy, etc...

 

[Snave]

I think the Recto 2x12 sounds less boxy than the vertical 2x12.

 

[311boogieman]

Pretty sure Mesa V30s are still made in England? So the only difference is the older cab will have broken in/well used V30s vs new. Now, there are differences between Recto/Traditional cabs as far as tightness vs boomy, etc...

+1

I'd keep your cabinet but 212s are not good on the floor period. Have you tried getting it up off the floor onto a cabinet or stand like I recommended? I'd try that first and then start making changes if you still don't like it. I'm also assuming you've decided to keep the amp

 

[skullfxr]

Damn bro you are having issues with that recto. Stay with the Mesa. I have turned cabs on their side before without issue. My tremoverb loves my mesa 4x12".

Before doing anything drastic, try loading a k100 in there. That can help a bit. Mine likes British V30's and k85's just as much as the Mesa speakers.

 

[BrentSSL]

First of all I'd like to say thank you for the replies this is good information. Don't get me wrong everything sounds great. The reason I think it sounds different on its side is because it's lower to the carpeted floor. When I have it upright and on its wheels it sounds in my opinion better. I was just trying to figure out if I got the horizontal cab it would sound better because it's meant to sit that way. I also read on another form that the speaker metal was made in China after 2002. I don't know if that really matters.

 

[311boogieman]

It's simple. The frequencies are hitting your knee caps if it is on the floor pointed straight out. There is a range you have to mindful of. Try setting it on the floor and leaning it back - like a floor monitor. It sounds better to you, I am assuming, standing up because one of speakers is hitting you in chest. Sometimes a 212 on the floor is the shit. The bees knees as they say.


I know you've see this before but since I have a Rectoverb and a 212 I'll show you again how I'm doing it

 

[skullfxr]

It's simple. The frequencies are hitting your knee caps if it is on the floor pointed straight out. There is a range you have to mindful of. Try setting it on the floor and leaning it back - like a floor monitor. It sounds better to you, I am assuming, standing up because one of speakers is hitting you in chest. Sometimes a 212 on the floor is the shit. The bees knees as they say.


I know you've see this before but since I have a Rectoverb and a 212 I'll show you again how I'm doing it

Pretty rig 311

 

[skullfxr]

Try a k100. That may be all you need.

But I agree, get it off the floor

 

[BrentSSL]

It's on the floor to fit it where my gear is lol

 

[skullfxr]

Get a k100.

 

[BrentSSL]

Pretty sure Mesa V30s are still made in England? So the only difference is the older cab will have broken in/well used V30s vs new. Now, there are differences between Recto/Traditional cabs as far as tightness vs boomy, etc...

It's a recto 212 cab does that mean how different is that from a regular to 2x12?

 

[BrentSSL]

I think the Recto 2x12 sounds less boxy than the vertical 2x12.

I think I can hear the boxy should care to elaborate?

 

[Snave]

Pretty sure Mesa V30s are still made in England? So the only difference is the older cab will have broken in/well used V30s vs new. Now, there are differences between Recto/Traditional cabs as far as tightness vs boomy, etc...

It's a recto 212 cab does that mean how different is that from a regular to 2x12?

The Recto/Traditional thing Racerxrated was referring to only applies to 4x12 cabs. By Recto he means the Standard (oversized) version, which is ~3" taller than the Traditional (Marshall sized) cab.

I think the Recto 2x12 sounds less boxy than the vertical 2x12.

I think I can hear the boxy should care to elaborate?

I'm not sure what causes it, but the vertical Recto 2x12 I tried was fizzier and more boxy than my regular horizontal 2x12. Think it has something to do with the slanted baffle changing the sound (internal reflections and all that).

 

[D-Rock]

There is also a Recto compact model 2x12 and a regular Recto 2x12 to be aware of.

 

[BrentSSL]

There is also a Recto compact model 2x12 and a regular Recto 2x12 to be aware of.

Oh
And how exactly do you tell those apart?

 

[BrentSSL]

A little update I got my hands on a Mesa 212 I think it was a rectifier 212. was in the Robinson Pittsburgh guitar center my head sounded fantastic through it. I tried different pickups and still not sure what I want to go with. I got home used my vertical 212 it sounds decent but the horizontal sounds better in my opinion and I need better pickups or new guitar LOL