NAD! Suhr SL-68 incoming!

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I'm excited to finally get my hands on the SL-68 to say the least! I've been gassing for one for quite a while. You can tell from my signature line that the last thing I need is another amp, but oh well. Yeah, I have a problem. I'm an amp slut. I can't help it. Once it comes in I'll follow up with a report on what I think of it. I'm really looking forward to running it through my Suhr Reactive Load and my cabs with Scumback BM75 speakers!
 
that will be a killer setup for sure, be sure to post clips!
 
As someone that is gassing for a plexi (stock and mod), I would be interested in hearing how it compares to your other variations.
 
Rdodson":2t8s7nv5 said:
that will be a killer setup for sure, be sure to post clips!

Will do, but my playing sucks and sucks worse when I record. You've been warned! lol.

I am hoping the SL-68 will get me into the same tone territory as my 1959SLP reissue that I gutted and reworked with a PTP board to do the Van Halen plexi thing. I expect if anything the SL-68 should be better with better build, component selection, transformers, etc. Here is a recent clip of my 1959SLP that I recorded with the Eventide H910 in my slaved/re-amp rig. It's a one take, rough recording with no mixing or editing, but you get the idea. I'm betting the SL-68 will sound even better than my project amp.

 
shredhead7":fe6tqzgg said:
As someone that is gassing for a plexi (stock and mod), I would be interested in hearing how it compares to your other variations.

Yeah I'm interested to find out too! I'll report back on the SL-68 and try to compare them as clearly as I can.
 
Badass! Congratulations. I'd love to hear some audio.
 
Well, I don't have any clips of it, but it is an awesome amp. You know what it sounds and plays like? A really great late 60's or early 70's Marshall. I know that's anticlimactic for a review. LOL. It compares very, very closely to my project amp I posted a clip of above, but with a few obviously different components like a different bright cap value, etc. If anyone has any more specific questions let me know. I'll answer them if I can.
 
With the list of amps you have, I'm very interested to see how the SL68 fits in
The clips I've heard have not been as full sounding as your modded SLP
They are narrow and the break-up loose and ratty. Is that a true representation?
I'm a fan of Suhr gear, and have the PT100, but bypassed this amp for a Helios instead
It hasn't grabbed my attention yet
 
Sick Squid":2jjn84by said:
With the list of amps you have, I'm very interested to see how the SL68 fits in
The clips I've heard have not been as full sounding as your modded SLP
They are narrow and the break-up loose and ratty. Is that a true representation?
I'm a fan of Suhr gear, and have the PT100, but bypassed this amp for a Helios instead
It hasn't grabbed my attention yet

Well... Of all my amps the SL68 sounds closest to my modded SLP, which makes sense because they are the most alike. However, I spent a TON of time trying different value and brands/composition of caps across the board on my modded SLP. The big differences between the SL68 and my SLP are:

No "fat cap" mod on my SLP. I tried it numerous times with different values of electrolytic caps and never liked it. It does add bass, but it is a ratty bass when the channel volume is high and the bass on the amp's EQ is cranked to 10. The SL68 has a fat cap mod. That works fine for bass pot set lower, but for an "everything on 10" type of set up it is a bit much, at least with my speakers and cabinets.

-I have a much larger bright cap on my modded SLP (5000pF). That has a drastic effect on how the bright channel responds. That can be good or bad depending on how you like to run the amp.

-I have Sozo Nexgens on most locations of the board of my SLP and two .68uF vintage phillips chicklet caps on the V1 and V2 cathodes.

-I have no proof of this, but I suspect the power and output transformers on the SL68 (whatever they are) are FAR superior to the transformers in my SLP, even though they are not bad (stock Marshall PT and Heyboer OT).

-I have EH6CA7s in my SLP with the incoming AC dropped to 95 volts by a variac and biased to 65% MPD at that voltage.

-I have a mod in the tone stack the SL68 doesn't have. It's a 50K mid pot and basically it amounts to a partial tone stack lift.

Also keep in mind that the recording I posted above was a stereo recording running my SLP into a Suhr Reactive Load and mixer and re-amping with a Matrix GT1000FX panning dry signal left and Eventide H910 right using 2 SM57s (one on each cab) and Scumback BM75 speakers. So, on the SL68 if I were to change the bright cap, remove the "fat cap mod" run 6CA7s, mod the tone stack, and basically make the SL68 as close as possible to my SLP and run it BLISTERING LOUD into the Suhr Reactive Load and basically run and record everything the same way do I think it would sound as good as my SLP? Yes I do. Actually, I suspect it would sound as good or even better. It is a very good sounding plexi. I mean it really sounds awesome in person. You just have to get things set up and tailored to the way you want to run them and what you want out of them. Suhr built the SL68 to be more versatile for more people. I have set up my SLP to do exactly what it did in that video clip. I hope that helps man. Let me know if I can answer anything else or if I'm not making sense.
 
Sick Squid":3qdpy1qm said:
With the list of amps you have, I'm very interested to see how the SL68 fits in
The clips I've heard have not been as full sounding as your modded SLP
They are narrow and the break-up loose and ratty. Is that a true representation?
I'm a fan of Suhr gear, and have the PT100, but bypassed this amp for a Helios instead
It hasn't grabbed my attention yet

Anyway with all that said, how do you like your Helios? I have been curious about those, but I've never had a chance to try out a Helios.
 
Jayy":1ns6qfg1 said:
Also keep in mind that the recording I posted above was a stereo recording running my SLP into a Suhr Reactive Load and mixer and re-amping with a Matrix GT1000FX panning dry signal left and Eventide H910 right using 2 SM57s (one on each cab) and Scumback BM75 speakers. So, on the SL68 if I were to change the bright cap, remove the "fat cap mod" run 6CA7s, mod the tone stack, and basically make the SL68 as close as possible to my SLP and run it BLISTERING LOUD into the Suhr Reactive Load and basically run and record everything the same way do I think it would sound as good as my SLP? Yes I do. Actually, I suspect it would sound as good or even better. It is a very good sounding plexi. I mean it really sounds awesome in person. You just have to get things set up and tailored to the way you want to run them and what you want out of them. Suhr built the SL68 to be more versatile for more people. I have set up my SLP to do exactly what it did in that video clip. I hope that helps man. Let me know if I can answer anything else or if I'm not making sense.
I appreciate the insight - you clearly know what you are doing
I let the SL68 go past me as I am a hard rock player and like the modded plexi idea more than a pure recreation of an SLP
There are not many clips of the Suhr around, and the few that take the amp into higher gain territory don't sound like the smooth yet punchy sound I go for
The amp goes to that hairy, 'about to blow-up', plexi area that I am not a fan of
I'm open to the idea in future, and keep looking to be convinced. Of course, I could seek on out to try, but with it also not having a loop (spot the rack guy), there is no pressing need
I also have the SS100, and that does a fine job of being that one sound on the gain channel (plus clean). It has a forward character and is very sweet on the high strings.
The Helios 50 covers most of the modded M-amp bases for me. It sounds pretty pure, and the switching options allow you just enough rope to tailor the core voicing. Not as nasty as a plexi, and not as smooth as a traditional multi-channel amp. The ability to take out the tone stack is very clever, and massively effective. You mentioned the lack of low-end control in the SL68. The Helios has no such problem and can go from very lean to shaking out your teeth, having a depth control later in the circuit. I like to get it to a good level of gain, then add the odd pedal. That gives me more flexibility than the SS, which is a complete voice. The Bogner leaves room to be added to. One oddity was that the 100W version was very different to the 50 when they came out and I got mine. That may have changed, but it is worth knowing that testing one won't tell you all about the other.

I am also very interested in the Mezzabarba, and see that you have one. Another one I keep my radar on for.
 
Sick Squid":fdchhznm said:
Jayy":fdchhznm said:
Also keep in mind that the recording I posted above was a stereo recording running my SLP into a Suhr Reactive Load and mixer and re-amping with a Matrix GT1000FX panning dry signal left and Eventide H910 right using 2 SM57s (one on each cab) and Scumback BM75 speakers. So, on the SL68 if I were to change the bright cap, remove the "fat cap mod" run 6CA7s, mod the tone stack, and basically make the SL68 as close as possible to my SLP and run it BLISTERING LOUD into the Suhr Reactive Load and basically run and record everything the same way do I think it would sound as good as my SLP? Yes I do. Actually, I suspect it would sound as good or even better. It is a very good sounding plexi. I mean it really sounds awesome in person. You just have to get things set up and tailored to the way you want to run them and what you want out of them. Suhr built the SL68 to be more versatile for more people. I have set up my SLP to do exactly what it did in that video clip. I hope that helps man. Let me know if I can answer anything else or if I'm not making sense.
I appreciate the insight - you clearly know what you are doing
I let the SL68 go past me as I am a hard rock player and like the modded plexi idea more than a pure recreation of an SLP
There are not many clips of the Suhr around, and the few that take the amp into higher gain territory don't sound like the smooth yet punchy sound I go for
The amp goes to that hairy, 'about to blow-up', plexi area that I am not a fan of
I'm open to the idea in future, and keep looking to be convinced. Of course, I could seek on out to try, but with it also not having a loop (spot the rack guy), there is no pressing need
I also have the SS100, and that does a fine job of being that one sound on the gain channel (plus clean). It has a forward character and is very sweet on the high strings.
The Helios 50 covers most of the modded M-amp bases for me. It sounds pretty pure, and the switching options allow you just enough rope to tailor the core voicing. Not as nasty as a plexi, and not as smooth as a traditional multi-channel amp. The ability to take out the tone stack is very clever, and massively effective. You mentioned the lack of low-end control in the SL68. The Helios has no such problem and can go from very lean to shaking out your teeth, having a depth control later in the circuit. I like to get it to a good level of gain, then add the odd pedal. That gives me more flexibility than the SS, which is a complete voice. The Bogner leaves room to be added to. One oddity was that the 100W version was very different to the 50 when they came out and I got mine. That may have changed, but it is worth knowing that testing one won't tell you all about the other.

I am also very interested in the Mezzabarba, and see that you have one. Another one I keep my radar on for.

I about half know what I'm doing. LOL. I figure it out as I go. Something I forgot to mention as I read back over this on differences between the SL68 and my SLP is the negative feedback and filtering. I have less negative feedback on my SLP with a 100k resistor on the 4 Ohm tap vs the 47K on 4 Ohm tap of the SL68 (at least if I remember right it is on the 4 Ohm tap. I know that it is a 47K resistor on the SL68). I also have higher filtering on the mains of the SLP using 100X100uF filter caps vs the 50X50uF on the SL68. So anyway, all the little changes stack up to make the amps different. Some are more subtle and some are more drastic in what they do to the tone and feel.

Thanks for your input on the Helios. I like a lot of the clips I have heard of them. I'm going to have to try out a 50 and/or 100 watt Helios one of these days.

The Mezzabarba M0 Overdrive is a really awesome amp. The best way I can describe it in a nut shell is this: If a Soldano SLO and a really good modded Marshall were to get drunk and get together one night and have really hot, sleazy sex in a Ferrari that resulted in pregnancy the Mezzabarba would be their love child! LOL. It has some of the DNA of both and is very versatile. The adjustable feedback, depth, two channels with one having 2 available boost, etc., make the amp really versatile. I have hear the effects loop is good as well, but I can't speak from experience because I haven't tried the one on mine. It's a hell of an amp. One thing that is touchy on it is the master volume. Don't get me wrong, it can be set to and played at very quiet volumes, but the master is very touchy depending on where you have the feedback set.
 
Jayy":3nh5323r said:
The Mezzabarba M0 Overdrive is a really awesome amp. The best way I can describe it in a nut shell is this: If a Soldano SLO and a really good modded Marshall were to get drunk and get together one night and have really hot, sleazy sex in a Ferrari that resulted in pregnancy the Mezzabarba would be their love child! LOL. It has some of the DNA of both and is very versatile. The adjustable feedback, depth, two channels with one having 2 available boost, etc., make the amp really versatile. I have hear the effects loop is good as well, but I can't speak from experience because I haven't tried the one on mine. It's a hell of an amp. One thing that is touchy on it is the master volume. Don't get me wrong, it can be set to and played at very quiet volumes, but the master is very touchy depending on where you have the feedback set.
I like what you're saying about where the M Zero sits.
I enjoyed hearing the amp at NAMM this year. As noisy as the room was, there was a lot there to like.
They seem unobtainable, so I may call in a favour and borrow one for a while. There are less clips of it around than even the SL68.
 
Sick Squid":pof63p0k said:
Jayy":pof63p0k said:
The Mezzabarba M0 Overdrive is a really awesome amp. The best way I can describe it in a nut shell is this: If a Soldano SLO and a really good modded Marshall were to get drunk and get together one night and have really hot, sleazy sex in a Ferrari that resulted in pregnancy the Mezzabarba would be their love child! LOL. It has some of the DNA of both and is very versatile. The adjustable feedback, depth, two channels with one having 2 available boost, etc., make the amp really versatile. I have hear the effects loop is good as well, but I can't speak from experience because I haven't tried the one on mine. It's a hell of an amp. One thing that is touchy on it is the master volume. Don't get me wrong, it can be set to and played at very quiet volumes, but the master is very touchy depending on where you have the feedback set.
I like what you're saying about where the M Zero sits.
I enjoyed hearing the amp at NAMM this year. As noisy as the room was, there was a lot there to like.
They seem unobtainable, so I may call in a favour and borrow one for a while. There are less clips of it around than even the SL68.

Yeah if you can borrow one definitely give it a try. From what you have said about what you like in an amp you may love it. Or, who knows? Maybe not. LOL. It is an awesome amp though.
 
I recently got to play an Mezzabarba MZERO Overdrive for a few hours at volume and I was absolutely blown away at how big it sounded, how awesome the cleans were given a high gain amp, and how the gain sounded....such an open sounding amp that sounds so huge. You could play on the clean channel for days, using the boost to get into classic rock territory, or playing clean, and then click into the second channel when needed for leads or higher gain.

Absolutely a phenomenal amp that has touched me..I am going to try to get one for sure. I think we will be hearing more and more about these amps.

The Z35 blew my mind too for it's tone/feel and simplicity...what great amps.
 
The only Suhr amps I’ve tried are Badgers. Didn’t care for them but would dig being able to demo more of the line. Especially an OD100SE+
 
skoora":3dlo586i said:
The only Suhr amps I’ve tried are Badgers. Didn’t care for them but would dig being able to demo more of the line. Especially an OD100SE+

Yeah I'd like to try the OD100SE too. I would REALLY love to try the Suhr SE-100. It doesn't look like Suhr is even offering that one anymore. It's not on their website now.
 
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