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[7704A]

Picked up a Peavey XXX 4x12 Slant for $130. The speakers aren't horrible sounding, but I only really got the cab 'cause I just want the cab itself. Gonna drop my pair of Force 12's into it and run it "detuned" until I can get around to building my own ported cabs for 'em. Will probably do some recordings along the way to compare changes. As it stands, the Force 12's in the 4104 combo are noticeably quieter. Not sure if that's the 99dB efficiency rating vs the XXX's presumably higher rating, or the 2 vs 4 speakers, or open vs closed back, or all the above. Aside from that volume difference though, I overwhelmingly prefer the Force 12's. The XXX's seem too aggressive and almost toy-ish in a papery way in comparison. Did a room recording, but it didn't capture my perception very well.

 

[Shask]

I have one of these. I put V30/T75 in X-pattern in it, and I keep it laying on its side.

 

[7704A]

I have one of these. I put V30/T75 in X-pattern in it, and I keep it laying on its side.

When I had a 412MS I did a similar blend, Sheffield 1290 (ostensibly a T75 clone) with Marshall Vintage ("detuned" cab config). Rocked pretty hard. Ran it until I got bit by the EV bug.

 

[Techdeth]

Good score

 

[VonBonfire]

As it stands, the Force 12's in the 4104 combo are noticeably quieter. Not sure if that's the 99dB efficiency rating vs the XXX's presumably higher rating, or the 2 vs 4 speakers, or open vs closed back, or all the above. Aside from that volume difference though, I overwhelmingly prefer the Force 12's.

All of the above. A 2x12 open back pretty much has nothing on a 4x12 closed back with higher efficiency speakers. The amount of air forced to move forward is pant leg flapping with a 100 watt head. As for the Force 12's they are the best deal on a vintage speaker right now. They are a neutral sounding speaker. Never tried the actual EVM but Force 12's definitely have that characteristic. What's nice is they don't lose composure with a 85-100 watt Twin cranked since they are 150 watt rated so they have been serving me well. I would be ok if Force 12's was all the speaker I ever owned.