Need help with an ampless set up

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So I just bought the two notes CAB M to use an amp DI box to virtually mic a cabinet that I can sent to my mixer. I did my very first live stream with it an it worked great!

Now I am interested in building a ampless rig that I can also use with an amp if needed. I wanted to see if anyone here has an advice on it. Here's my proposed rig:

guitar --> Shure wireless GDLX wireless--> digitech drop pedal --> Boss NS2 noise suppressor --> canyon delay looper --> BBE sonic stomp pedal --> JHS buffer splitter --> Two notes torpedo CAB M --> FOH mixer

From the boss NS2 send "effects loop" --> JHS sweet tea V2 drive pedal --> chase bliss MK II preamp --> then to the return of the boss NS2


Here are some of my questions and thoughts
1.) i watched JHS video on a buffers and that you need a buffer in the beginning and after the signal chain. Can my boss NS2 work as the input buffer? I heard that all boss pedals have a built in buffer. The NS2 is always on as a noise suppressor cause I can get some pretty high gain tones on the sweet tea drive. My end buffer is the JHS buffer splitter
2.) Two notes CAB M M states to put the delays/revers/modulators AFTER the CAB M. Im confused by this because the two notes cab M is a power amp and speaker simulator (im not turning on the pre-amp mode cause im going to use the chase bliss mk II as my preamp). I was going to use the boss NS2 send and return as kinda like an effects loop so that the delay will be after the drive/pre-amp and then into an AMP or the CAB M. Does this make sense?
3.) The purpose of this rig is to be able to bring my pedal board and have the option to plug it straight into an amp on stage or in my studio, but also have the flexibility to go direct into the FOH or audio interface. Is there any other pedals that you guys suggest that would be useful? I play in a cover band that does 90's rock, POP, hard rock, and some metal. I plan on using the reverb from my twin deluxe reverb and the reverb from the CAB M. I also plan on getting an expression pedal and MIDI controller for the chase bliss MK II preamp
4.) should I put the sweet tea drive before or after the chase bliss? The sweet tea is a marshal in a box and tube screamer dual pedal. I figured I should put it before the pre-amp as if im direct plugging it into an amp

Thanks in advance for any help. I want to figure everything out before I go out and buy the chase bliss MK II (kinda pricey). I already have the rest of the pedals listed
 
Welcome to the board, that is a mouthful. Try scaling down your question and I bet you'll get some help.
 
Or an Engl 530 preamp and a used G-major/G-major II.
You can switch the 530 with the relays on the G-major, and have a 2-rack (or 4, and keep the Captor in a drawer with a small midi controller) - one cable setup.
Everything hooked up, one XRL from Captor to mixer/sound card/whatever.

I have a rack like that, and a Joyo Cab Box, and it works fine. I put it together this spring/summer, so I obviously haven't tested it live, but it sounds nice through my monitors.
 
You are on the right track with what you are saying as far as it working. I think there are alternative routes you could take that would be easier, better and simpler. That is only my opinion. :)

Since you haven't purchased the Chase Bliss I encourage you to look into the Neunaber Neuron pedal as it has a ton of capabilities and may save you some money and rig space with all it can do. Neunaber makes fantastic stuff for a fair price and small footprint.

To help on your initial questions:

1) I am not sure every boss pedal has a buffer. If so, that would suffice. I didn't see you list a tuner. If you have somewhat recently made tuner they have buffers in them.

2) The Cab M is listed as such so you can use it like it is an effects loop in a regular type amp. You would put those effects in the loop vs. out front on a regular amp. It would be like running the effects through the power power amp on a typical amp and not through the pre-amp.

3) As I said earlier, check out the Neunaber stuff. He talks on a small "ampless" pedalboard rig for simplicity and breaks it down. May be a help to you?

4) Your last question comes down to preference and maybe even noise. Certain things sometimes work better in a different order. Sometimes rigs are quieter when pedal order is changed up a bit. I would lay your idea out and play through it and see how you like it and be open to shifting a few things around to see if it matters to you and if it makes a positive or a negative impact on your overall sound. On paper, what you are saying makes sense but in most cases, it rarely goes as planed out 100%.

Hopefully I mentioned something of value for you and I hope your rig turns out like you want it to. If you have further questions, I will do my best to help answer. Good luck!
 
First off you really shouldn't need another dedicated buffer in that signal. The only analog/true-bypass pedal in that chain is the Sonic Stomp. Everything else already has a buffer incorporated into it.

Are you all in on the Chase Bliss MKII? Looks like a great piece of gear, but your use cases really sound like a higher end modeler is really what you need. Helix LT or similar. Then sell some of the redundant pedals (NS-2 for sure, and Canyon also unless you need the long loop times).

Guitar-->GLXD-->Helix LT

Helix LT
Loop 1: Digitech Drop
Loop 2: Canyon

Use a preamp model in the Helix LT.

Helix LT Output 1: to amp FX return
Helix LT Output 2: to Two Notes Cab M to FOH

Also, does the Sonic Stomp really do anything meaningful, particularly in a band mix? I know it seems like a marked difference in isolation but also seems like something that can be addressed via EQ. I know it's all about wave alignment and everything, but functionally it really sounds like EQ.
 
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