Ordering of Effects in loop and in front of amp...

[PhloridaMan]

Alright, so I have to give my ENTIRE rig a bit of an overhaul. I just sold my Framus Cobra and have a Marshall JVM410 on the way. When I put everything together last time I kind of half assed it and just threw everything in front of the amp out of laziness since I am running a GCX switcher but I want to actually take the time to put everything in the FX loop that needs to or should go in the loop this time.

Anyway... Here are a list of what I have and where I think they should go. I am admittedly probably wrong in my thought process that's why I am asking for some verification and clarification on how to go about this.

My Pedals: ISP Decimator, Maxon OD808, Boss GE7, Boss TU2, MXR Carbon Copy
My Rack Gear: ISP Decimator Pro Rack


My idea is that in front of the amp goes: Guitar>ISP Pedal>OD808>TU2
and then in the effect loop goes: ISP Pro Rack>GE7>Carbon Copy





Im sure the first thing your wondering is why do I have a Pro Rack ISP AND a Pedal... The simple answer to that is the pedal takes care of any guitar hum and is set VERY low and sometimes not even used. The Pro Rack gives me two levels of noise suppression which I actually over use at times to get a real solid choppy no sustain tone much like Vildhjarta, Veil of Maya etc single not djenty stuff (Yes I am going to attempt some djent with the JVM ) And other times I only use 1 channel of the pro rack to just kill any amp hiss/hum and keep my sustain. It's really one of those gotta see it to understand it things the way I've figured out how to manipulate it.

ANYWAY back to the original subject... If someone could tell me if my pedal chain etc is correct or show me the correct way I would greatly appreciate it!!!

Thanks!

Phil

 

[Anonymous]

Well first I would try to eliminate the tuner from the signal, unless it doesn't colour your tone at all; try using your amp's line out or preamp out.

The EQ you can use both in front or in the loop, where it acts quite differently on your tone

Front: Guitar, (Tuner), OD808, (Equalizer), ISP Decimator (you want that last in your signal)

Loop: (Equalizer), ISP Decimator (parallel loop! a serial loop can seriously fuck up the Decimator's input), Carbon Copy

You're supposed to run the Decimator last in the chain, but when you have modulation and delay, it will mess it up, so run those after the gate.

 

[strata2628]

good advice from Business above \m/~ - I would second experimenting with the EQ in different spots. I use an old 3-knob Barb EQ in the fx loop and it sounds awesome, but very different in front of the amp: you can think of it EQ'ing your guitar, or its signal - further down the chain.

 

[Reiep]

Loop: (Equalizer), ISP Decimator (parallel loop! a serial loop can seriously fuck up the Decimator's input), Carbon Copy

I don't see the point of having a noise gate in a parallel loop : only a part of the signal will be treated... and also only a part of the noise. Same goes for the EQ if in the loop.

I would go this way :

- Front : Guitar > Tuner > OD > Decimator
- Loop : Decimator Rack > EQ > Delay

 

[Anonymous]

Loop: (Equalizer), ISP Decimator (parallel loop! a serial loop can seriously fuck up the Decimator's input), Carbon Copy

I don't see the point of having a noise gate in a parallel loop : only a part of the signal will be treated... and also only a part of the noise. Same goes for the EQ if in the loop.

I would go this way :

- Front : Guitar > Tuner > OD > Decimator
- Loop : Decimator Rack > EQ > Delay

I know right?
I have the Decimator Pro Rack G and have tried running it in a serial loop (no other pedal in the signal). Holy screeching noise Batman!
I think putting another pedal in front can help though, would have to verify

 

[PhloridaMan]

I appreciate the quick responses! I wasn't really even thinking of using the Serial loop... lots of people have told me don't even bother with it that I will probably never have a real use for it. I honestly am not sure what the difference is, I am still a technical n00b in a lot of ways and not afraid to admit it. Hopefully I don't have to make any new cables... I should have just what I need already.

Thanks again!

 

[Anonymous]

I appreciate the quick responses! I wasn't really even thinking of using the Serial loop... lots of people have told me don't even bother with it that I will probably never have a real use for it. I honestly am not sure what the difference is, I am still a technical n00b in a lot of ways and not afraid to admit it. Hopefully I don't have to make any new cables... I should have just what I need already.

Thanks again!

Serial loop: 100% of the signal goes out, 100% of the signal comes back in the return; hence, you select the effect mix level on your pedal/effect
Parallel loop: You control on the amp what % of the signal goes out; your effect should be set at 100% level

 

[PhloridaMan]

so... If i am not set at 100% level... do I not get the "full effect" for lack of a better term?

 

[Anonymous]

so... If i am not set at 100% level... do I not get the "full effect" for lack of a better term?

If you're using a parallel loop, indeed.
That's why it's called "parallel", you have both your dry and wet signals running in parallel, with your mix level to control the % of both. Your wet signal should be 100% wet

 

[PhloridaMan]

10-4 I never set my pedals levals more than half way cause it always seemed to add feedback and just make a mess of my tone.