Pedal order assist needed- Friedman Buffer Bay

[lespaul6]

I'm not an effects guy..... but I'm going to try out a new Friedman Buffer Bay when it arrives and I want to know the best way to order my effects to prevent loading and loss of high end/volume etc.

All pedals going straight into the front of the amp: Boss TU2, CAE Boost/Line driver, Boss DD3

Ive read that the buffers in the boss pedals might render the Friedman buffer ineffective? How will I order these effects to avoid that if possible

 

[NaturalBornBoy]

You only have 3 pedals and they're all going into the front of your amp. You have 2 Boss pedals with pretty good buffers already.

I don't see the need for the Buffer Bay to be honest.

 

[Bash_Man]

3 Buffered pedals (including the CAE Boost/Line Driver are plenty buffer. The only way to avoid any issues between the Boss Buffers and the Friedman is to mod those Boss Pedals for True Bypass. The CAE Boost/Line Driver is a really nice buffer it self.

Where the Friedman will come in handy is IF you decide to put the DD3 in the Loop of your amp and run 2 long cables, then perhaps use the Thru jacks to buffer the long cable runs. Aside from that, you may be kind of wasting your money my friend. In that case, then this diagram would apply to you:

Good luck

 

[Faded Abyss]

It depends on what you want. I put my Mesa Stowaway first in line and run it through a pedal switcher/loop so I can bypass it whenever I want.

the way buffers work it like this: you have an input buffer connected directly to your pickups to decouple your guitar from your other pedals. The input should be ideally 1M ohms. This is the same input impedance most amps have. Although some amps like the 6505 have 470K ohms (I think). This keeps things consistent how your guitar behaves regardless of which pedal you are using, your guitar will always feel plugged into an amp.

the output buffer: whichever pedal you have on, last in line before the amp, now becomes the output buffer. Boss has 1k ohms typically, which is fine, if that’s what you’re after. If you are running true bypass after your input buffer, directly to you amp, obviously your input buffer would be working as being the output buffer as well, in that situation.

personally, I do a similar thing with my output buffer as my input buffer. I use the Mesa Send last in line, and I put it through a looper, making it bypassable. That way if it’s “wrong” for a particular chain, I can prove it out to myself.

 

[Faded Abyss]

Also, aside from modding your boss pedals for true bypass, you can also put that on a pedal switcher, in the same way that I use for my input/output buffer.

I recommend Morningstar ML5

 

[japetus]

You only have 3 pedals and they're all going into the front of your amp. You have 2 Boss pedals with pretty good buffers already.

I don't see the need for the Buffer Bay to be honest.

I agree. It just seems a little overkill for 3 pedals.

 

[lespaul6]

Thanks for the replies... I mainly wanted to keep the tone and crispness of the 15ft cable from my guitar to the first effect when using another 10ft of cable to the amp. I read somewhere that having too many buffers actually degrades the tone but it was not explained as to why this was so...

 

[Bash_Man]

Thanks for the replies... I mainly wanted to keep the tone and crispness of the 15ft cable from my guitar to the first effect when using another 10ft of cable to the amp. I read somewhere that having too many buffers actually degrades the tone but it was not explained as to why this was so...

With your 3 pedals, if you're using the 15' cable from guitar to first pedal, then I would put the MXR Boost/Line Driver first right after your guitar, then TU-2 then Delay. If you want, experiment and see if you notice any change in the tone... and you read right as I've also read having too many buffers in your will possibly degrade your tone. I remember watching a video by "The Rig Doctor" saying best way to do buffering is to have one buffer right after the guitar and then one right at the end of your pedal board.

Good luck

 

[NaturalBornBoy]

Thanks for the replies... I mainly wanted to keep the tone and crispness of the 15ft cable from my guitar to the first effect when using another 10ft of cable to the amp. I read somewhere that having too many buffers actually degrades the tone but it was not explained as to why this was so...

I would stick with,

guitar - TU2 - CAE - DD-3