Pete Thorn - Track by track?

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The more I listen to the Pete Thorn CD the more I like it. I really dig all of the different tones I'm hearing. The writing is very cool and of course the playing is excellent.

It would be great to have the track by track low down. What amps, pedals, FXs, speakers/cabs, mics and the like. If this is already out there in the cyber please point me in the right direction.

Very cool CD :rock:
 
amiller":s9y15uyz said:
The more I listen to the Pete Thorn CD the more I like it. I really dig all of the different tones I'm hearing. The writing is very cool and of course the playing is excellent.

It would be great to have the track by track low down. What amps, pedals, FXs, speakers/cabs, mics and the like. If this is already out there in the cyber please point me in the right direction.

Very cool CD :rock:


Hi- thanks! Glad you are digging it. Maybe I'll go a couple tracks at a time-

first off, the basic recording signal chain was pretty much the same- I usually used a Bogner 1-12", with a Scumback M75- or a Celestion G12H30 heritage, which is what I had before I started using the Scum. Mics were a 57 and either a 421, a Heil PR30, or a Heil PR20. The 57 was a constant, and sometimes i'll blend in another mic. Mic pre is an API A2D, digitl out into an Apogee Ensemble. I use Logic as my DAW. Running on either a Mac Pro 8 core, or at the beginning I used either an old Mac powerbook laptop (parts of "10th Street" were recorded on this) or a white imac from 2006 (parts of "Into The Ether", "Velvet Fist", and all of "Monster Movie" and "Homage", and other stuff was done on the Imac). Oh, and "Promise" was recorded on the base model white 2007 Macbook I'm typing this on right now, because my Mac Pro was in the shop.

disclaimer- alot of what I did, I don't remember what the hell I used. I am terrible about writing stuff down/documenting, and usually i just hear a part in my head, grab a guitar and a pedal or two, kind of go "hmm, maybe this amp?" and I'll plug in, dial up a sound and go. If it doesn't work, I'll try something else. If it does, great, and i move on. But i'll do my best to remember...

Revenge Of The Nerd-
The drums are all programmed (Steven Slate Drums were used). Bass is Steve Stevens- he plays an old pink Spector, and it sounds ripping! Not sure what he used for plug ins but he sent me 1 track and it was already "amp"d" sounding, distortion and whatnot. I love that tone, I'm not sure how he got it.
Amps are the PT100 and Marsha. pretty even mix of both, to get different tones. Rhythms are quadrupled, a track of Marsha and track of PT100 panned hard left and hard right. I used different guitars for the melody leads in the verses to get the call/answer effect going. Tried to vary the tones, using the PT100 ch2/3, Marsha BE and C45, etc.. I used the EVH wah extensively on this track. Ed actually gave me one for xmas 2009 and I got it home and of course felt like "a kid at xmas", haha! So I plugged it in and used it all over the track- I'm not usually a wah guy but I do love that EVH wah and it helped set off the tone of some of the leads. Sometimes i leave it stuck, sometimes not. Guitars on the track include a LP, my Suhr Modern, and my Suhr Tele (kind of a traditional, single coil, swamp ash affair)... Also, I may have used the Suhr Koko Boost on this track- I don't remember.

Perplexed-

once again, programmed drums, the Steven Slate ones. It's me on bass, with my old Mexican Pbass with the tags still hanging off it. One day in like 2004, i was living in the Hollywood Hills, and I was recording at home, and i didn't own a bass, and was always borrowing. I needed to cut a bass track and I thought "fuck it" and ran down the hill to GC Hollywood. I played every lower end Pbass on the wall, and this ugly natural finish ash one was the best sounding, and it plays great. I bought it for about $400 bucks and ran back up the hill, cut the bass track and it's been my bass ever since, and I never took the hang tags off. P-basses are like a good Ford or Chevy truck, they just work as expected and get the job done. I use the d.i. input on either the UA 6176 mic pre/comp, or the API d.i. input. They sound way different- the UA being fat and dark and the API is forward, clear and aggressive. Plug In for amp-ish tone is a Waves CLA bass.

Amp is the Suhr SL68 that John made for me- it's handwired, and it screams. What an amp. It's the closest thing I've ever found to "My Sound". It's John's version of "the perfect plexi"- those amps were all over the place circuit-wise, little variations here and there, and this is the variant John digs. It has a switch in it to lower it to 90v and re-bias automatically, and it does it just like a variac, lowering all the voltages in the amp.. Anyways, I of course love my PT100, but there's something about the dimed plexi, it's what I imagine driving a formula one car must be like, you better be up to it, and if you are, it's like nothing else...... Guitar is my Wolfgang EVH. Ed and Matt Bruck gave me one about a year ago and I love that thing. Pickups, little frets, the whole deal. Obviously a special axe to me! Anyways, the whole track is kind of an ode to EVH and I tried to not do too much layering- the rest of the album is pretty heavy on the layers and overdubs, but I wanted to do one straight up rocker in the spirit of VH, kind of a tribute if you will, to that style of playing, writing, and production (to the best of my abilities). Besides "Promise", it's also the only track that's "all me"- since I played bass and guitar, and programmed the drums, and mixed it. There's at least one other musician on every other song on the album. OH- the down section in the middle at 2:04- is actually my Suhr S, on the neck pickup- a ML as they are now called (formerly FL). Pedals- I think I used the Koko Boost for the last solo, for just a bit more midrange kick than the rest of the tune. And of course there's the EVH flange here and there. Delay and verb was added in the mix.
 
Excellent!!! Exactly what I was hoping for. Track by track info a few tracks at a time is perfect. :rock:

Very much appreciated...Please keep em coming. :D
 
awesome read, thanks Pete!

Definitely interested in what you used for Homage, that as one of my favorite tracks from the album, I thought the intro tone was awesome, reminded me of SRV-ish
 
petethorn":gh1fxw6m said:
amiller":gh1fxw6m said:
The more I listen to the Pete Thorn CD the more I like it. I really dig all of the different tones I'm hearing. The writing is very cool and of course the playing is excellent.

It would be great to have the track by track low down. What amps, pedals, FXs, speakers/cabs, mics and the like. If this is already out there in the cyber please point me in the right direction.

Very cool CD :rock:


Hi- thanks! Glad you are digging it. Maybe I'll go a couple tracks at a time-

first off, the basic recording signal chain was pretty much the same- I usually used a Bogner 1-12", with a Scumback M75- or a Celestion G12H30 heritage, which is what I had before I started using the Scum. Mics were a 57 and either a 421, a Heil PR30, or a Heil PR20. The 57 was a constant, and sometimes i'll blend in another mic. Mic pre is an API A2D, digitl out into an Apogee Ensemble. I use Logic as my DAW. Running on either a Mac Pro 8 core, or at the beginning I used either an old Mac powerbook laptop (parts of "10th Street" were recorded on this) or a white imac from 2006 (parts of "Into The Ether", "Velvet Fist", and all of "Monster Movie" and "Homage", and other stuff was done on the Imac). Oh, and "Promise" was recorded on the base model white 2007 Macbook I'm typing this on right now, because my Mac Pro was in the shop.

disclaimer- alot of what I did, I don't remember what the hell I used. I am terrible about writing stuff down/documenting, and usually i just hear a part in my head, grab a guitar and a pedal or two, kind of go "hmm, maybe this amp?" and I'll plug in, dial up a sound and go. If it doesn't work, I'll try something else. If it does, great, and i move on. But i'll do my best to remember...

Revenge Of The Nerd-
The drums are all programmed (Steven Slate Drums were used). Bass is Steve Stevens- he plays an old pink Spector, and it sounds ripping! Not sure what he used for plug ins but he sent me 1 track and it was already "amp"d" sounding, distortion and whatnot. I love that tone, I'm not sure how he got it.
Amps are the PT100 and Marsha. pretty even mix of both, to get different tones. Rhythms are quadrupled, a track of Marsha and track of PT100 panned hard left and hard right. I used different guitars for the melody leads in the verses to get the call/answer effect going. Tried to vary the tones, using the PT100 ch2/3, Marsha BE and C45, etc.. I used the EVH wah extensively on this track. Ed actually gave me one for xmas 2009 and I got it home and of course felt like "a kid at xmas", haha! So I plugged it in and used it all over the track- I'm not usually a wah guy but I do love that EVH wah and it helped set off the tone of some of the leads. Sometimes i leave it stuck, sometimes not. Guitars on the track include a LP, my Suhr Modern, and my Suhr Tele (kind of a traditional, single coil, swamp ash affair)... Also, I may have used the Suhr Koko Boost on this track- I don't remember.

Perplexed-

once again, programmed drums, the Steven Slate ones. It's me on bass, with my old Mexican Pbass with the tags still hanging off it. One day in like 2004, i was living in the Hollywood Hills, and I was recording at home, and i didn't own a bass, and was always borrowing. I needed to cut a bass track and I thought "fuck it" and ran down the hill to GC Hollywood. I played every lower end Pbass on the wall, and this ugly natural finish ash one was the best sounding, and it plays great. I bought it for about $400 bucks and ran back up the hill, cut the bass track and it's been my bass ever since, and I never took the hang tags off. P-basses are like a good Ford or Chevy truck, they just work as expected and get the job done. I use the d.i. input on either the UA 6176 mic pre/comp, or the API d.i. input. They sound way different- the UA being fat and dark and the API is forward, clear and aggressive. Plug In for amp-ish tone is a Waves CLA bass.

Amp is the Suhr SL68 that John made for me- it's handwired, and it screams. What an amp. It's the closest thing I've ever found to "My Sound". It's John's version of "the perfect plexi"- those amps were all over the place circuit-wise, little variations here and there, and this is the variant John digs. It has a switch in it to lower it to 90v and re-bias automatically, and it does it just like a variac, lowering all the voltages in the amp.. Anyways, I of course love my PT100, but there's something about the dimed plexi, it's what I imagine driving a formula one car must be like, you better be up to it, and if you are, it's like nothing else...... Guitar is my Wolfgang EVH. Ed and Matt Bruck gave me one about a year ago and I love that thing. Pickups, little frets, the whole deal. Obviously a special axe to me! Anyways, the whole track is kind of an ode to EVH and I tried to not do too much layering- the rest of the album is pretty heavy on the layers and overdubs, but I wanted to do one straight up rocker in the spirit of VH, kind of a tribute if you will, to that style of playing, writing, and production (to the best of my abilities). Besides "Promise", it's also the only track that's "all me"- since I played bass and guitar, and programmed the drums, and mixed it. There's at least one other musician on every other song on the album. OH- the down section in the middle at 2:04- is actually my Suhr S, on the neck pickup- a ML as they are now called (formerly FL). Pedals- I think I used the Koko Boost for the last solo, for just a bit more midrange kick than the rest of the tune. And of course there's the EVH flange here and there. Delay and verb was added in the mix.

I had the opportunity (and delight of paying for) to drive a 1988 Tyrell F1 (stick manual :thumbsup: ) a few years ago... :rock: :shocked: I raced some years ago, but this was just like nothing else. It just feels insane... Did 8 laps, and it felt like I had done a 5 hour gym-session.
Just thought I would share, since I have never played a Plexi, let alone a dimed one :lol: :LOL:

Appreciate you taking the time to write this... Great info :thumbsup:

I was convinced you used a TC Octave Screamer (?) on that intro arrangement... Don't know why. How did you get that sound, if I may ask?
 
amiller":1j1y6c4n said:
I'm also curious about the mic positioning.

Great read! :thumbsup:

The 57 is usually dead nuts center and close up, or just a bit off center, like where the cap meets the cone. Mic 2 is usually where cap meets cone or just a bit further out from center. Both pointed straight on, I've never gotten into angling off axis at 45 degrees or any of that.
 
cool to read this stuff. the disc is in regular rotation here. thanks for taking the time to share the recording info.
 
petethorn":jugmqnn5 said:
amiller":jugmqnn5 said:
I'm also curious about the mic positioning.

Great read! :thumbsup:

The 57 is usually dead nuts center and close up, or just a bit off center, like where the cap meets the cone. Mic 2 is usually where cap meets cone or just a bit further out from center. Both pointed straight on, I've never gotten into angling off axis at 45 degrees or any of that.

Which do you favor, the Heil PR30 or the 421? I've been using the Heil PR30 and the 421. After hearing your CD, I'm going to check out using a 57 with one of those mics.

Oh yeah, what was the room like? I remember that you built an ISO cab. Did you use that?
 
I dig both the 421 and PR30, I actually traded away my PR30 for the 421, to EVH. So I don't have it anymore! I have a pr20 now though, which is great too, I think Jerry Cantrell was using the 20 live recently. It's kind of like a 57 but smoother.

The 30 had big bottom and top. The 421 is sort of more midrangey. It's good to have a few of these mics around, they are reasonably cheap and then you xan mix and match a bit.

Another mic I always liked was the shure KSM32... And though I never tried it myself, an audio technica 4050 has impressed me mire than once when I've seen them used on other guys rigs live. I'd like to get one or maybe their 4047.

My room is just a closet! I put a bunch of insulation and packing blankets around a cab in there- really not alot of thought put onto it. I built an iso box in there but I didn't like the sound so I tore it out. Sounds better with just the cab in there and some insulation. And it's still quiet enough...
 
My home studio has two rooms. I've got a small oddly shaped 10'x10' room where I used to record live drums. I still have the drums but it's more convenient to just program the drums. My "control" room is 13'x13'. I tried recording my cabs in the "drum" room but it always sounds much smaller than the control room...maybe because of the odd shape of the drum room.

Anyway, looking forward to more track info on your CD.
 
Into The Ether-

Ok this one I actually forget quite a bit of the guitar/amp combos used. Sorry. But many- most if not all- of the leads are axe fx. OH shit ok I just remembered- alot of it was this Koa Suhr T I used to have that I sold! Many of the clean parts are also axe fx. I used the mxr flanger on some of the leads, running in front of the axe in EVH mode- it just sounded cool on the solos that way! There is also vibrato on some of the clean verse parts, from a Mojo Vibe. The tremolo parts were probably my Tonefreak Mellotremo.

Basically the song is kind of a layered production piece- I experimented alot with tracking parts then flipping them in reverse (in logic) and tying/crossfading them together so they made sense again- u can hear it at the very end when things empty out, the swelling, panning chords- that's the reverse guitars. There's no keyboards on the track- it's all weird guitars.

Really it's kind of a combination of electronic music influences mixed with Gilmour-ish soloing, or at least what comes out of me when I think "What would Gilmour do?"

"Homage"-
This one's really basic- it's mostly the Badger 30, with my Fender Strat and my Suhr T with some slap delay for the country-ish solo. I used the Mojo Vibe and the Strat fir the Hendrixy verses and I used my fingers to do the Beck-type melodies in the chorus parts... Amazing how playing with your fingers gets so much of that "expressive" Beck vibe- try it!

The song would not found nearly as cool without the amazing contributions of Jon Button on bass and Toss Panos on drums. The song really sounds "gelled" to me, like it's 3 guys playing in a circle facing one another, vibing- even though it's not, it was all cit at separate times in different locations! Jon has the uncanny ability to just play the perfect thing always- fills are just right and just in the holes where they should be! He will email me a track and I'm always knocked out with how perfect it is every time. Toss is a friggin monster on drums, and his feel/groove are amazing on the track I think. We did the drums in his home studio.

Bob Clermountain mixed this one- an honor for me!
 
Very cool read. I was going to mention that I heard that Beck vibe going on...I need to experiment with using my fingers...awesome stuff.

Wow, looks like there were several different "amps" and guitars used. I really like the variety of GREAT tones. I struggle to get just one good tone. :lol: :LOL: I think I focus in to much on the "Holy Grail" tone of tones. :doh: :lol: :LOL:

Thanks so much for doing this. It gives me lots of ideas for trying new stuff. :rock:
 
amiller":fowegpp4 said:
Very cool read. I was going to mention that I heard that Beck vibe going on...I need to experiment with using my fingers...awesome stuff.

Wow, looks like there were several different "amps" and guitars used. I really like the variety of GREAT tones. I struggle to get just one good tone. :lol: :LOL: I think I focus in to much on the "Holy Grail" tone of tones. :doh: :lol: :LOL:

Thanks so much for doing this. It gives me lots of ideas for trying new stuff. :rock:


ya I definitely used all kinds of stuff! just whatever seemed appropriate for the track.
 
I've been working on some of my own stuff for a while now. Working a day gig and doing music is slow going. Anyway, I'm glad I heard your CD and I'm very appreciative of the track by track info. I've gone back and listened to some of my tracks and realize I have to re-do some of the guitar leads. I used to record on a VS2480 and I had worked out what mics I wanted and how I wanted them positioned. I've moved to a PC based system and I didn't rethink the mics...until I heard your CD. Anyway, I'm looking forward to more. :rock:
 
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