Peters Amplification is winding pickups now

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nigelpkay":qj5dhnay said:
I just got mine, a Design 1 A5.
I've generally used the BKP Holydiver, but wanted something a bit more tighter and aggressive but similar EQ. I think it does sound just as I described, except less mids than the diver (which is overly middy in my opinion), but it is UBER tight, tightest Alnico pickup I've ever tried. It is very dynamic, but it stops on a dime when you stop playing! I've never tried the Painkiller but it sounds like it's description without all the clackity-ness that people complain about. This design has the Alnico V flavour but with the responsiveness of a ceramic, very similar to how James described it loosely as a JB mixed with a Super Distortion.
I think for my purposes it is a little too tight for me, I need a bit of give.
I play in Eb, but I tried some drop-tuning and it sounded more alive in that range.
I will play around with it some more to decide if it's a keeper for me, it's really good but I don't know if it fits my specific playing style and how I use it.
So amazing to still find new pickup designs that sound so different to what's out there! We are spoiled for choices these days.

Nice description man! Sounds really interesting.
Thought of trying the Holy Diver as well for a little added "sag" as compared to the Painkillers stiff immediate response. Don't get me wrong, I love it for the thrashy, death metal stuff I play, but always looking. You know the sickness :lol: :LOL:
 
JamesPeters":2r4izxmb said:
MetalHeadMike":2r4izxmb said:
Design 1 sounds like its right up my alley. I'm loving my Painkiller and wouldn't mind trying something similar but of a different flavor. Was gonna try a DD, but might have to look into this deal.

My Design 1 with C8 magnet sounds aggressive and articulate but the Painkiller has more actual measurable output to it. So if that's a part of what you want, I'm not quite doing that sort of thing.

However I have a few taller C8 magnets here, so I can make an "output boosted" version of Design 1. I've already made one and tested it. It not only has a bit more output (in the realm of the Painkiller) but it sounds like you've changed gauges of strings to one set thicker. If your guitar has lots of lows, or is a bit too dark or muddy, I wouldn't recommend the taller magnet version. I'm on the fence about making a pickup like that because it can become a love-it-or-hate-it sort of thing, whereas the current version with standard-sized magnet works very well with lots of guitars. Because of this my supply of these magnets is limited. I'm not planning to buy more, since it would require a bulk order (custom made, since I can't find them in stock or even listed at any supplier).

If that sort of thing interests you, let me know soon in case the magnets go bye-bye. :) If you're considering something maybe not quite as high output as the Painkiller but about as aggressive (but more even/warmer), the standard version would probably suit you well.

Thanks for the breakdown there James! I'm not necessarily looking for the same output as the Painkiller. I tend to go with pickups based on eq and descriptive attributes like aggressive, tight, middy, scooped more so than output. I do like alot of mids, so how is the Design 1 in that department. The standard Design 1 sounds fine to me! Let me think on it here a bit, and I'll reach out to ya. Just satisfied some GAS and still paying off that bill :lol: :LOL:
 
So I got my Design 1 A5 pickup to the proper height it should be. I have it in a Charvel and I ran out of room with the spring adjustment (often I cut my pickup springs in half because I find most of them too long). That perceived over-tightness I mentioned before was a lack of output from being too far from the strings. So while it is still a very tight pickup, it wasn't a problem for me any more once I had the height fixed.

Anyway... good lord... this pickup kills.

The harmonics just fly out of this thing, I don't think I've ever been able to pinch harmonic so easily. Just imagine a half-way between a JB and a Super Distortion, something hot yet still open sounding, something modern with some vintage flavor at the same time.

I would say it's in the ballpark of a BKP Holydiver and also the Suhr Aldrich from what i've heard of it. I have the Holydiver in most of my guitars, and James' pickup fixes all the things I didn't like about it. Just great output and feel, tight response, nice EQ all around (I would say it's very slightly scooped, BMT about 7/6/8 if I had to guess), fluid soloing and tight rhythm at the same time, a great pickup for just about anything.

Also I have to mention the all-slug look, there's no adjustable screws or hex pole pieces or anything like that. Such a great clean look that I now want on all my guitars.
 
Guitar72":1gftox0j said:
Hey James, do you make pickups with covers?

Hi!

I currently don't, and have no plans to do that. I find they change the sound in a way I don't like (usually I remove covers from pickups), they can sometimes contribute to microphonics, and it makes my parts selection/stocking more challenging since there isn't just one size or type of metal for a pickup cover to consider.

PS. You're 10 posts in now! Only 40 to go!

:D :D :D
 
hopkinWFG":26o70zq7 said:
Thanks James ! Will email you soon...


And here is the result !! What a set of sweet looking 8 string pickup !!
 

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hopkinWFG":299i20u7 said:
And here is the result !! What a set of sweet looking 8 string pickup !!

:)

They'll be on their way "across the pond" tomorrow morning when the post office opens...
 
nigelpkay":1kgl89ob said:
So I got my Design 1 A5 pickup to the proper height it should be. I have it in a Charvel and I ran out of room with the spring adjustment (often I cut my pickup springs in half because I find most of them too long). That perceived over-tightness I mentioned before was a lack of output from being too far from the strings. So while it is still a very tight pickup, it wasn't a problem for me any more once I had the height fixed.

Anyway... good lord... this pickup kills.

The harmonics just fly out of this thing, I don't think I've ever been able to pinch harmonic so easily. Just imagine a half-way between a JB and a Super Distortion, something hot yet still open sounding, something modern with some vintage flavor at the same time.

I would say it's in the ballpark of a BKP Holydiver and also the Suhr Aldrich from what i've heard of it. I have the Holydiver in most of my guitars, and James' pickup fixes all the things I didn't like about it. Just great output and feel, tight response, nice EQ all around (I would say it's very slightly scooped, BMT about 7/6/8 if I had to guess), fluid soloing and tight rhythm at the same time, a great pickup for just about anything.

Also I have to mention the all-slug look, there's no adjustable screws or hex pole pieces or anything like that. Such a great clean look that I now want on all my guitars.

I'm glad you like it!

That slightly scooped aspect happens with the A5 magnet. With a C8 magnet it doesn't, unless I choose the "warmer sounding" pole pieces (which then lend the pickup some of that A5 sound/response but also keep at a bit more "in your face" and tight than A5 normally would).
 
Roger that boss !! :rock:



JamesPeters":2a2udxrt said:
hopkinWFG":2a2udxrt said:
And here is the result !! What a set of sweet looking 8 string pickup !!

:)

They'll be on their way "across the pond" tomorrow morning when the post office opens...
 
JamesPeters":vx3nhoo8 said:
Oblivion DC":vx3nhoo8 said:
I'm still really interested in trying out one of your pickups, James. Is there any new information you can update us with??

Sure, I can give you some info.

By the way, if you want to chat with me about stuff (you or anyone else), feel free to email or call. I'll respond here but it could be a while, depending on how busy I am and if I notice a post of someone asking me questions.

The idea I originally had for my pickup line was to have a lot of things variable about them, to more closely match what people want in a pickup for a given guitar. Slowly I began to realize a few things: 1) that would probably drive people crazy trying to choose a pickup, 2) a lot of the variables in the design only affect things subtly, and 3) there are enough things in common that people want in a pickup, that not much has to be variable as long as key points are addressed in the design.

So now I have a few bridge humbucking pickup designs that are really "dialed in" and well suited to lots of guitars. Part of that involves winding the north bobbin (closer to the neck) differently and/or with different wire so it makes a bit more focused sounding for that position (since the sound is naturally fatter there), while allowing the south bobbin (closer to the bridge) to be more open/dynamic (since the sound is naturally thinner there). The pickups can sound tight in a wide variety of guitars as a result. Part of that is also due to how they're wound, and the materials used. But the "icing on the cake" was figuring out how I could make the designs more suited to brighter or darker guitars without sacrificing much if at all. Previously the designs were a bit "leaned" toward a brighter guitar or a darker guitar, but now I shouldn't have to do that. I can still make custom builds if a guitar is particularly bright/dark/dead sounding (etc.) but now it's less complicated. Mostly the options for customization will involve what magnet is used, and if I need to consider changing any pole pieces to allow for "problem ranges" on a particular guitar (if the customer mentions the high 2 strings are really plinky sounding, for instance).

Here's what I have for designs at the moment. Each are available with A5 or C8 magnets (so it's like 2 different designs for each "design" listed below):

Design 1: A high output bridge pickup measuring around 17K ohms resistance, full sounding with lots of harmonics, excellent articulation and tight attack. It's not overpowering but it's definitely hot. It's a very dynamic high output pickup. (It's like my high gain amp designs in that it walks the fine line between vintage and modern for some aspects of its sound, while definitely being high gain/high output.) Depending on the magnet used in the pickup it can cover a somewhat different range. A5 is still solid with tight attack, but is a bit more raw and has more warmth and growl. C8 makes the pickup more "in your face" without being outright brash, and it still has nice "classic" aspects and growl. Loose comparisons (I hate doing this) would involve "Duncan JB crossed with Dimarzio Super Distortion, less mid honk, tighter and with PAF-like qualities sprinkled in and better growl" (for the A5 version); "Duncan Distortion but less extreme/more open and with more vintage vibe when you want it, and with more growl" (for the C8 version).

Design 2: Medium to high output bridge pickup measuring around 14K ohms resistance. It has similarities with design 1 above but it's more open, less full/rich sounding. I guess you could say this is for folks who use tons of gain but want the sound to be really clear from string to string, and don't want a more full sound. Loose comparison (did I mention I hate doing this?) would be "Duncan Custom but a bit more woody with more warmth, and with PAF-like qualities sprinkled in" for the A5 version; and it's a bit more aggressive/tight with the C8 version.

Design 3: Medium to high output neck pickup well suited to match with either of the two above bridge pickup designs. It's wound differently from the bridge pickups and with different wire, so it measures around 12K ohms resistance. It's relatively full sounding but has nice chime so the neck position doesn't sound very dark. I used to struggle with neck pickup choices since lots of them sound "too fat", or if you go with a thinner sounding pickup for the neck it doesn't balance well with a high output bridge pickup. This solves that problem and sounds great doing it. The magnet I'd recommend for this pickup would probably be to match whatever magnet is in the bridge pickup (if someone buys one of my pickups for the bridge, that is) or by default A5 since the neck position naturally has more fundamental to the tone (so it doesn't need C8 for that "in your face" aspect unless you really want it).

Also: I can make a "calibrated version" of the neck pickup based on the bridge pickup. That is, a neck pickup made like the bridge pickup you choose but underwound (by comparison to the bridge pickup) to compensate for the difference in output/fundamental at the neck position. Some people prefer a "calibrated set" since the pickups will sound more similar. I don't mind doing this at all!

Remember that resistance readings don't tell you much about a pickup, including the output. A pickup with taller magnets than standard can sound significantly more powerful, and be wound exactly the same as one with shorter magnets. And that's just one factor. The type of wind you do is important (and I'm able to change up my winding pattern/tension quite easily since I'm doing this all myself). Then there's the thickness of the wire to consider. A "10K ohm pickup" could be wound with 42 gauge or 43 gauge wire for instance, and they'll have very different sound and output; 10K ohms of 42 gauge wire (such as used in most PAF type pickups) can be quite powerful compared to 10K ohms of 43 gauge wire (thinner); also it's possible to wind each bobbin differently and use mixes of wire for a pickup. I won't get into the different types of pickup wire insulation (partially because there are notable differences in the sound, but also because they can be more subtle in the sound differences than some people assume.) Then there are the pole pieces to consider, and they can affect the sound significantly. Magnets of different types--if all else is equal from pickup to pickup (and it usually isn't)--can have predictable differences in the sound, but it's hard to make direct comparisons unless you've swapped magnets in a pickup to hear the differences in the same design; even so, I've found A8 sounds different in my designs so far (not just the ones above, but all the ones which didn't make the cut) than in any other pickups I've swapped them into over the years! There are more variables...I could go on, but it gets boring and confusing since a lot of this is important in the proper context and that's hard to explain to someone who hasn't swapped one variable at a time to hear the differences each can make.


Here is the meat and potatoes I was looking for after hearing the shootout if case anyone did not see.

You should endorse this guy James if you have not already because I want to try one of your pickups even more now after hearing that video.
 
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