Pickup Quandry

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Hi all, I am currently in a quandry in chosing the right pickup for my guitars. I have 3 Ibanez's (2 RG's and 1 S) with DiMarzio D-Activators installed. I liked the sound and was making it my pup of choice until I picked up a used RG Prestige with SD Balckouts installed. I think the Blackouts blow the D-Activators away with their crunch, killer sustain and warmth when playing lead. The D-Activators have good crunch but are more ice-picky and quickly lose their sustain. I find the SD's to be so smooth when playing and effortless while the DiMarzio's require much more accuracy when picking notes. This is just how it feels to me anyway. I'm running my guitars through an Engl Powerball II and play a progressive style with more aggressive riffs and leads (ex. Nevermore). Anyway, I'd really like to find a passive pup that sounds like the Blackout (if that's even possible). I hate the look of active pickups (plastic case) and they would look even worse in my Ibanez HSH configurations. I was thinking of trying the DiMarzio CrunchLab and Liquifire combo (Petrucci) but am afraid they won't have the grit I'm looking for. Any suggestions are welcome. Please send your comments as I'm looking for additional knowledge on the subject. Thanks.
 
I think you're going to have a tough time finding a passive that can compete with the 18V of the Blackouts. I think you'll be disappointed with Crunch Lab/Liquifire. Perhaps try the D-Activator-X models or a Super 3 bridge/Super 2 Neck combo.
 
I am concerned about the Petrucci combo. I tried it today in an Ernie Ball Musicman at Guitar Center. It's so tough to tell though since I wasn't running it trhough my rig. I simply tried it through a 75W Line 6. Just wish I could bring things home and try them through my set-up... Arg! It's never the same.
 
+1 for BKP. I also play progressive metal and the ceramic Nailbomb absolutely kills for that.
 
Rock":csb78n3u said:
Hi all, I am currently in a quandry in chosing the right pickup for my guitars. I have 3 Ibanez's (2 RG's and 1 S) with DiMarzio D-Activators installed. I liked the sound and was making it my pup of choice until I picked up a used RG Prestige with SD Balckouts installed. I think the Blackouts blow the D-Activators away with their crunch, killer sustain and warmth when playing lead. The D-Activators have good crunch but are more ice-picky and quickly lose their sustain. I find the SD's to be so smooth when playing and effortless while the DiMarzio's require much more accuracy when picking notes. This is just how it feels to me anyway. I'm running my guitars through an Engl Powerball II and play a progressive style with more aggressive riffs and leads (ex. Nevermore). Anyway, I'd really like to find a passive pup that sounds like the Blackout (if that's even possible). I hate the look of active pickups (plastic case) and they would look even worse in my Ibanez HSH configurations. I was thinking of trying the DiMarzio CrunchLab and Liquifire combo (Petrucci) but am afraid they won't have the grit I'm looking for. Any suggestions are welcome. Please send your comments as I'm looking for additional knowledge on the subject. Thanks.

I don't think you will find what you are looking for with passives. What you said you liked about actives is pretty much the massive output and compression they provide.

If you really want to start using passives you will have to stop relying on gain and compression which can be hard. I used EMGs for years and eventually switched back to passives. I realized that high gain and active pickups allowed me to become sloppy, lazy, and less precise. Over the years I have been consistently lowering the gain and striving for more accuracy with my playing. Actives can be great, but like you noted they make things easier because they can hide sloppy technique and require you to dig in less.

With that being said, I would definitely not try Bare Knuckle Pickups, at least for now. Some of them are very high output, but they are a lot clearer and less forgiving than what you are used to in actives. I think that is a reason why people don't like them. I love them, but they will expose your flaws.

For passives you will probably want to look at pickups that are super hot right now like the De-activator X, X2N, Dimebucker, and things like that.

In the end though I think I will be more beneficial to get rid of actives, lower the gain on your amp, and focus on playing more accurately. Making things easier to play and hiding your flaws isn't really going to help you in the end.
 
I just put Blackouts in my Ibanes RGA121. They are killer high gain pickups, but I have found that for cleans I have to play light or else the pickups distort slightly. Even with the volume cranked down. I think that is part of the reason they sound great for high gain. It is almost like they are boosted right from the start. Very cool pups!!!!
 
racerevlon":2bdbibf4 said:
I think you're going to have a tough time finding a passive that can compete with the 18V of the Blackouts. I think you'll be disappointed with Crunch Lab/Liquifire. Perhaps try the D-Activator-X models or a Super 3 bridge/Super 2 Neck combo.
Esp since BO's aren't 18volt...

Its still a bit new new to the market...but have you thought about adding a BO pre-amp module to your D'acts? According to Frank Balbo...it turns normal passive PuPs into say 75% BO...25% stock PuP in sound. It replaces your volume pot/knob. Cheaper than converting everything to active as well...
 
JonVengeance, I understand what you are saying. I also discovered that phenomenon when I swithed from solid state amplification to tube. All my life I've used Crate's or a Rocktron Chameleon. I just got my Powerball this past Summer and it took some time to get used to the tube feel. I can't really notice it anymore but the tubes didn't seem to respond as quickly as the solid state circuitry and thus made it feel like I had to dig harder and be more precise in my playing technique. I believe it's made me a much better player.

I did just watch a Youtube clip of somebody comparing Seymour Duncan JB TB-4 (Bridge) & JB SH-4 (Neck) to a pair of EMG's. They sounded pretty good. Although, the guy playing had plenty of reverb and delay so it was hard to hear the details of the notes. Not the best way to demo a guitar, pickup, or amp since it just hideas all the flaws and muddies the waters, so to speak.

Thanks for all the commentary so far, it's very good to hear from fellow guitar players and learn form other's experiences.
 
bstaley":32qanjh2 said:
Tom Anderson H2+ FTW!!!!

dont listen to this guy....never trust an engineer!!!

do you know WHICH blackouts are in that axe?

it might help narrow it down.
 
Hah, get him, George! I'm not sure since I got the RG1527 Prestige used with the Blackouts already installed. It's the blue model so the guitar is at least a year old. Glad I got it because Ibanez only makes the white and black one's now. Anyway, I'd only know if I revoved the pups the next time I change the strings and they happen to say something on the backs of the pickups themselves. On another note, I just re-watched the Chris Broderick Chaos Theory YouTube clips and his Ibanez/D-Activator with Engl setup has ridiculus sustain. Perhaps because he's using the Fractal unit though. No tube in the preamp...
 
i think there's something on the SD website that says there's switches on the backs of the deactivator pickups for adjusting something or other....you'd have to dig deeper on the SD site and look what they're talking about. maybe someone here can enlighten on the blackouts? def worth looking into though next time you change pickups though dude.

i'm thinking Chris is running his head straight out of the effects loop to the axe fx, then back in the effects loop. i'd like to hear him play that guitar and head just straight up though, no effects or "sheen"...i'm sure he'd still crush!
 
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