petejt
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How many re-badged and/or re-housed modified Marshalls are on the market?
Splawn, Roccaforte, Fortin, Cameron.........
Splawn, Roccaforte, Fortin, Cameron.........
EXPcustom
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The Cameron CCV internals I saw were very different from any Marshall but then again I am still new to the innards of amps.
boof
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bogner..
MrDan666
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The Fortin's are completely different, not even close to a re-housed modified Marshall. 
ericsabbath
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EXPcustom":8pcsk96l said:
different layout doesn't mean different circuit
a Bogner Fish is much closer to a classic Marshall circuit than any modern Marshall, for example
and also much closer to a 2203 than a lot of amps that are claimed to be hot rodded Marshalls, like the SLO or Quickrod
Vrad
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ericsabbath":2k9qcnyb said:
The Quickrod is very much a hotrodded 2203...
ericsabbath
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Vrad":1jjdepct said:
if you take a look at the Quickrod schematic, you'll see that only thing that is not COMPLETELY changed is the power amp section
the preamp is nothing like a 2203
now, if you look the Brown channel of the Fish, for example, it's just a 2203 with doubled first gain stage and clipped bright caps, and the Strato channel is pretty much the same with 1 less gain stage and more bass cut (lot of bright caps, like a 2203)
the Quickrod has completly different values for all gain stages and doesn't have a cathode follower, which changes the a lot the midrange response and takes off the high and low end compression, making it more stiff, articulated, but less open
it's like rewiring literally the whole preamp from zero
Scott Splawn did his own thing
he didn't rip marshall off, despite of using Marshall board layouts and headshells
Vrad
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ericsabbath":2fd8k3zu said:Vrad":2fd8k3zu said:
if you take a look at the Quickrod schematic, you'll see that only thing that is not COMPLETELY changed is the power amp section
the preamp is nothing like a 2203
now, if you look the Brown channel of the Fish, for example, it's just a 2203 with doubled first gain stage and clipped bright caps, and the Strato channel is pretty much the same with 1 less gain stage and more bass cut (lot of bright caps, like a 2203)
the Quickrod has completly different values for all gain stages and doesn't have a cathode follower, which changes the a lot the midrange response and takes off the high and low end compression, making it more stiff, articulated, but less open
it's like rewiring literally the whole preamp from zero
Scott Splawn did his own thing
he didn't rip marshall off, despite of using Marshall board layouts and headshells
I agree, but many popular Marshall mods involved removing the Cathode Follower. That's why I said it's a hot-rodded 2203. No it's not exactly a 2203. Thing is, Marshalls make terrific modding platforms as we all know. You can have multiple takes on a hot-rodded Marshall. As far as the QR is concerned, of all the Marshall-like amps I've played, the QR reminds me of a 2203 the most. I can basically get a 2203 tone out of mine. Sure it's got its own thing going on, but you can hear the lineage.
ericsabbath
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Vrad":7w2yrok5 said:ericsabbath":7w2yrok5 said:Vrad":7w2yrok5 said:
if you take a look at the Quickrod schematic, you'll see that only thing that is not COMPLETELY changed is the power amp section
the preamp is nothing like a 2203
now, if you look the Brown channel of the Fish, for example, it's just a 2203 with doubled first gain stage and clipped bright caps, and the Strato channel is pretty much the same with 1 less gain stage and more bass cut (lot of bright caps, like a 2203)
the Quickrod has completly different values for all gain stages and doesn't have a cathode follower, which changes the a lot the midrange response and takes off the high and low end compression, making it more stiff, articulated, but less open
it's like rewiring literally the whole preamp from zero
Scott Splawn did his own thing
he didn't rip marshall off, despite of using Marshall board layouts and headshells
I agree, but many popular Marshall mods involved removing the Cathode Follower. That's why I said it's a hot-rodded 2203. No it's not exactly a 2203. Thing is, Marshalls make terrific modding platforms as we all know. You can have multiple takes on a hot-rodded Marshall. As far as the QR is concerned, of all the Marshall-like amps I've played, the QR reminds me of a 2203 the most. I can basically get a 2203 tone out of mine. Sure it's got its own thing going on, but you can hear the lineage.
yeah
even Marshall removed the cathode follower in some 80's jcm 800 models
but Splawn revoiced the whole thing
it's not like a "Rocco" mod, a Roccaforte, a Caswell or even a Dino, for example, which are true hot rodded 2203's
what I'm saying is that circuit wise, considering preamp only, a Splawn is just as close to a 2203 as a Dual Rectifier is (nothing alike)
if you cut the bass out and boost the mids of a recto, and then put it in a plexi headshell, people will call it a hot rodded marshall
just like they call the Framus Dragon, only because it looks like a Laney VH100R or something, when in fact, the Dragon is just an even more bass heavy Cobra
the quickrod has a ton of upper mids, like a Marshall, but the midrange grain is more dense, the reaction to different volume and gain settings is different, dynamics are different
and that's because the entire gain structure is different and the cathode follower also makes a big difference in these particular aspects