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Jdguitar
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You guys should spend more time working on being even a fraction of the player Satriani or Morse is. Then I might have some more great instrumentals to listen to!
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rupe":33fqp38i said:Once again, you're projecting your opinion and nothing more. This an internet guitar gear forum where anonymous people post their opinions and frequently do so in a divisive manner, often for comedic effect. To go so far as to call somebody's characterization of Morse's solos in the context of Deep Purple as "yokum fiddle hick" as being an "aggressive and unnecessary attack" is downright laughable and borderline delusional. We're still talking about somebody expressing an opinion in a manner no more offensive (subjective, I know) than dozens of other opinions stated here every day.tribalfusion":33fqp38i said:rupe":33fqp38i said:The sensitivity is strong with this one...tribalfusion":33fqp38i said:
It's simply an opinion...get over yourself and your indignation. One man's genius in another man's fool...no need to chastise somebody over their opinion on a completely subjective issue. Morse is one of my favorites but I'm not having a hissy fit because somebody doesn't like him in Deep Purple (Satch was obviously a better fit in that band). It's the interwebz...relax
I think you have missed the point entirely. I'm not debating taste though I obviously disagree with that poster. The point is that to speak in such a manner about a musician like Steve Morse is not simply the expression of different taste but rather an aggressive and unnecessary attack on an incredibly hard working musician. Given that most are musicians of some sort here I would think some basic standard of civility and respect should apply.
And your silly photo is anything but clever.
And as for my photo, I've already gotten one PM stating that it was funny..."clever" is in the eye of the beholder. But thanks for stating your opinion as fact yet again
Lighten up and you'll enjoy life to a much greater degree
Oh sure you're right. Everyone knows Steve Morse's solos are "yokum fiddle hick" and its an entirely reasonable proposition expressed appropriately. Musician forums should feature more of this penetrating analysis.
I must have been delusional to think that was the product of an internet crank who probably couldn't play his way out of a handbag but who likes to talk like a big man online and has issues.
Now I can see why some of you do your best "reasoning" with photos.
mentoneman
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carlygtr":24n8wa37 said:
i thought that was hilarious and i loved early morse/dregs!
yngwie should have the purple gig and morse should be backing vince gill and the allman brothers.
Satch is cool as long as he isn't trying to go all skullcap and techno and keep up with the times.
"But look at the Stones man!"
no thanks. like entering a haunted retirement crack house. those geezers are ghastly.
rupe
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Don't sell yourself short...you still aretribalfusion":3alnxf7c said:
So tell me, there has to be a major player who you don't care for. Shouldn't you be able to say that without being taken to task for your personal tastes?
And what was "aggressive" about saying Morse plays "hick" solos in DP songs? It's simply a humorous way for somebody to say that they don't care for the major-sounding phrasing that Morse frequently employs...hardly aggressive or even mean-spirited IMO.
sixxvanrose
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To be honest, I saw Satch a few years ago. He played for 50 people that night. He is very good, but I was bored after the first 30 min. Just my opinion. A lot of effects and fluff that night. Do I think he's talented, yes, just not my taste.
amiller
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I never really liked Deep Purple until Steve Morse joined. I thought they were kind of boring. Steve made them more interesting to listen to FOR ME. I've been a Steve Morse fan for a loooong time.
I'm also a big Satriani fan...even named one of my dogs (Satch) after him...hehehe.
I don't know, man, once a player reaches a certain level of ability it becomes very hard for me to rate one over the other. I find it more useful to just think of them all as great at doing their OWN thing.
I'm also a big Satriani fan...even named one of my dogs (Satch) after him...hehehe.
I don't know, man, once a player reaches a certain level of ability it becomes very hard for me to rate one over the other. I find it more useful to just think of them all as great at doing their OWN thing.
Red_Label
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amiller":2h73r3hx said:I don't know, man, once a player reaches a certain level of ability it becomes very hard for me to rate one over the other. I find it more useful to just think of them all as great at doing their OWN thing.
Could not agree more!!!
My guitar god has been Yngwie since the mid-80s. But is Yngwie better at being Satch than Satch is? Nope. Is Satch better at being Vai than Vai? Is Vai better at being EVH? Is EVH better at being SRV? And on and on and on. Yes, there are great players who I enjoy MUCH more than other great players (like Satch > Vai). But they're all AWESOME and no one is "better" than the other... just wonderfully different! I think that it's like a cumulonimbus (thunder) cloud reaching its max altitude and turning into an "anvil head". Once you've reached those levels of virtuosity, it's all just about different flavors for different appetites.
controlled_voltage
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for my money and ears steve is just so much more diverse and classier/smarter than joe.
the dregs albums have really aged well and are super musical….joe has really repeated himself from albun to album.
i don't think you can compare surfing with the alien to high tension wires.
htw is a masterpiece and swta while considered joe's best work is cool but not even in the same league compositionally as htw.
to each their own but I thought it was pretty obvious that joe is not even in the same ballpark as steve when it comes to musicality and composition.
the dregs albums have really aged well and are super musical….joe has really repeated himself from albun to album.
i don't think you can compare surfing with the alien to high tension wires.
htw is a masterpiece and swta while considered joe's best work is cool but not even in the same league compositionally as htw.
to each their own but I thought it was pretty obvious that joe is not even in the same ballpark as steve when it comes to musicality and composition.
controlled_voltage
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this reminds thread reminds me of the guy who thought i was crazy for insinuating that doug aldrich is not even in the same class as jeff beck…..
and that jeff beck is lame because he can't play as fast as doug
different strokes and all that
and that jeff beck is lame because he can't play as fast as doug
different strokes and all that
Red_Label
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controlled_voltage":3q03nged said:
I've been a Morse fan since the early 80s and still like to dig-out his Stand-Up album from time to time (because I like the guests he has on there). But Morse can be VERY repetitive as well. I find that his fast "dixie grits" southern style gets old for me real quick.
I understand what you are saying about Beck vs. Aldrich though. I never really got Beck until I got his Live at Ronnie Scott's DVD. That really changed my mind about him and I now realize just how unique/special of a player he is. To me, Aldrich is "garden variety" and bland compared to Beck... not to mention that Beck's been a trail blazer, icon, and long time influence on many. But I still think that for some (like that guy), Aldrich is preferable to Beck, and I cannot find fault with Doug as a player. He just doesn't do much for me... as I'd rather see Beck go-off on some wacky exploration than Doug shredding it up. Especially when Jeff has Tal Wilkenfeld on bass! Love that cutie-pie!
carlygtr
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tribalfusion":33jwxsnr said:rupe":33jwxsnr said:Once again, you're projecting your opinion and nothing more. This an internet guitar gear forum where anonymous people post their opinions and frequently do so in a divisive manner, often for comedic effect. To go so far as to call somebody's characterization of Morse's solos in the context of Deep Purple as "yokum fiddle hick" as being an "aggressive and unnecessary attack" is downright laughable and borderline delusional. We're still talking about somebody expressing an opinion in a manner no more offensive (subjective, I know) than dozens of other opinions stated here every day.tribalfusion":33jwxsnr said:rupe":33jwxsnr said:The sensitivity is strong with this one...tribalfusion":33jwxsnr said:
It's simply an opinion...get over yourself and your indignation. One man's genius in another man's fool...no need to chastise somebody over their opinion on a completely subjective issue. Morse is one of my favorites but I'm not having a hissy fit because somebody doesn't like him in Deep Purple (Satch was obviously a better fit in that band
I think you have missed the point entirely. I'm not debating taste though I obviously disagree with that poster. The point is that to speak in such a manner about a musician like Steve Morse is not simply the expression of different taste but rather an aggressive and unnecessary attack on an incredibly hard working musician. Given that most are musicians of some sort here I would think some basic standard of civility and respect should apply.
And your silly photo is anything but clever.
And as for my photo, I've already gotten one PM stating that it was funny..."clever" is in the eye of the beholder. But thanks for stating your opinion as fact yet again
Lighten up and you'll enjoy life to a much greater degree
Oh sure you're right. Everyone knows Steve Morse's solos are "yokum fiddle hick" and its an entirely reasonable proposition expressed appropriately. Musician forums should feature more of this penetrating analysis.
I must have been delusional to think that was the product of an internet crank who probably couldn't play his way out of a handbag but who likes to talk like a big man online and has issues.
Now I can see why some of you do your best "reasoning" with photos.
Taking someone's opinion personally?
Says more about you than anything. About not being able to play myself out of a paper bag, I'll gladly post clip after clip that shows otherwise. I somehow doubt you will though.
Rayneman
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I saw Joe on Thursday. This is the second time I've seen him and he's just a class-act all the way. Mike Keneally was fantastic, it was awesome to watch him trade off with Joe. Joe really made a point to showcase ALL the guys in his band, and a hell of a band it was.
I was looking forward to Steve Morse, but the sound was pretty bad during his set, and everything sounded very muffled and bass heavy. He was using those blue Engl's and he kept fooling around with some device on his EB guitar...maybe this was a synth interface? I had a hard time actually hearing him and I was close enough that I should have heard his stage volume I think. He pulled out an acoustic or nylon string to play a classical duet with the bassist, but they couldn't get the guitar to work. So, he played it on his electric. In any event, he got a very warm and gracious reception and he genuinely seemed to enjoy the whole thing. I thought perhaps he would have come out and had some super duper song with Joe and Keneally, but alas, that did not happen.
So I was worried that Joe's set was going to sound as bad, but that was absolutely not the case. He had quite a light/screen show and the sound was very, very good. I have not listened to his newest album, but my understanding is that its a little heavier than recent ones, and it seemed to bear out during this show. There weren't too many ballady-type moments except for AWMAWY. Marco Minneman is just a wild man. My drummer buddy went with me and was mesmerized. Joe played most of the usual tunes, but there were a couple I was expecting that he did not play, though - he played for nearly two hours.
I have a hard time listening to instrumental guitar stuff for a long time, but Joe is so lyrical that you almost feel that someone is singing. Of course, during a part of the show when he was playing by himself, very quietly, and you could hear a pin drop in the place, my buddy screams "Joe, you rock!" to which he replies "thank you." I tried to crawl under my seat but I didn't fit.
Obviously it was a complete sausage fest, but to my amusement, it appears that many of the older rockers brought their wives so they didn't have to come by themselves. Hence, there was a small contingent of women who looked pretty miserable to be there. I'm 43, and I felt pretty young among the crowd. I am not sure what that says about the state of things today, but I don't think its good.
I was looking forward to Steve Morse, but the sound was pretty bad during his set, and everything sounded very muffled and bass heavy. He was using those blue Engl's and he kept fooling around with some device on his EB guitar...maybe this was a synth interface? I had a hard time actually hearing him and I was close enough that I should have heard his stage volume I think. He pulled out an acoustic or nylon string to play a classical duet with the bassist, but they couldn't get the guitar to work. So, he played it on his electric. In any event, he got a very warm and gracious reception and he genuinely seemed to enjoy the whole thing. I thought perhaps he would have come out and had some super duper song with Joe and Keneally, but alas, that did not happen.
So I was worried that Joe's set was going to sound as bad, but that was absolutely not the case. He had quite a light/screen show and the sound was very, very good. I have not listened to his newest album, but my understanding is that its a little heavier than recent ones, and it seemed to bear out during this show. There weren't too many ballady-type moments except for AWMAWY. Marco Minneman is just a wild man. My drummer buddy went with me and was mesmerized. Joe played most of the usual tunes, but there were a couple I was expecting that he did not play, though - he played for nearly two hours.
I have a hard time listening to instrumental guitar stuff for a long time, but Joe is so lyrical that you almost feel that someone is singing. Of course, during a part of the show when he was playing by himself, very quietly, and you could hear a pin drop in the place, my buddy screams "Joe, you rock!" to which he replies "thank you." I tried to crawl under my seat but I didn't fit.
Obviously it was a complete sausage fest, but to my amusement, it appears that many of the older rockers brought their wives so they didn't have to come by themselves. Hence, there was a small contingent of women who looked pretty miserable to be there. I'm 43, and I felt pretty young among the crowd. I am not sure what that says about the state of things today, but I don't think its good.
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rupe":3g6rumg6 said:The sensitivity is strong with this one...tribalfusion":3g6rumg6 said:
It's simply an opinion...get over yourself and your indignation. One man's genius in another man's fool...no need to chastise somebody over their opinion on a completely subjective issue. Morse is one of my favorites but I'm not having a hissy fit because somebody doesn't like him in Deep Purple (Satch was obviously a better fit in that band
Stated perfectly.....
I had a great time reading carlygtr's opinion and I am a Morse fan for the most part. Different strokes dude.... thinking about, understanding and accepting another persons opinion, even when it is very different from your own is a good sign of maturity.
gibson5413
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rupe":1syw2q2s said:
The picture is funny but the animated gif would have been more clever!
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it doesn't take much lately does it.....
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im interested in checking out the JSvm410 amps or whatever the model is called.