So what are considered "good" JCM 800's and "bad" JCM 800s?

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I have a 82' 100 w vertical input version ( louder than sin) and I've compared to a mid 80's vertical input one a buddy of mine had and It was nght and day difference to me tone and feel wise. I prefer the older one. I older one has this girthy feel to it and tremendous amount of headroom, may be the trannies, more cleaner and pure sounding than the other which was more bright/distorted and just not as a warm and pleasing to me. But too say which is better than or worse, i guess that all depends on what you like as a player.
 
70strathead":3pyik1jm said:
I have a 82' 100 w vertical input version ( louder than sin) and I've compared to a mid 80's vertical input one a buddy of mine had and It was nght and day difference to me tone and feel wise. I prefer the older one. I older one has this girthy feel to it and tremendous amount of headroom, may be the trannies, more cleaner and pure sounding than the other which was more bright/distorted and just not as a warm and pleasing to me. But too say which is better than or worse, i guess that all depends on what you like as a player.

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Just noticed the avatar... Me Likey.... :thumbsup:
 
xXxGhotimanxXx":soogmtm3 said:
I'm trying to figure this crap out. I've heard of non-master volume...does this mean that the amp has to be cranked to get distortion? IOW, saturate the power tubes, etc. Does a master volume amp allow for distortion at lower volumes? But the cost of this lower volume distortion is that it's coming from the pre-amp section? Do I have this right?

If this is the case, then what would be a good choice for a JCM 800 that will give distortion at lower volumes? What model and what year?

Forgive the noob questions...just trying to learn?

J
The 2203 and 2204 model in either the jmp are master volume(allowing more and seperate control over the volume and gain) are my favorites. Also later there was the jcm 800 2210 and 2205 type which also had master volume and channel switching and reverb. Also, what is meant by the non master volume 800's is that marshall still put out in small numbers their 1987 and 1959 non master volume type amps like those that were popular in the 60's and 70's. U can tell the differance by the non master volume models have four input jacks on the front, the 2203/2204 have two input jacks, the 2210/2205 have one input jack. The non master type are very very loud and have alot less gain then the others, u really have to crank them up to get em to distort.
 
I like the ones with no master best ..... what a voice ~= loud or THD Hot Plate for me.
 
joepete77":7lqueibv said:
xXxGhotimanxXx":7lqueibv said:
I'm trying to figure this crap out. I've heard of non-master volume...does this mean that the amp has to be cranked to get distortion? IOW, saturate the power tubes, etc. Does a master volume amp allow for distortion at lower volumes? But the cost of this lower volume distortion is that it's coming from the pre-amp section? Do I have this right?

If this is the case, then what would be a good choice for a JCM 800 that will give distortion at lower volumes? What model and what year?

Forgive the noob questions...just trying to learn?

J
The 2203 and 2204 model in either the jmp are master volume(allowing more and seperate control over the volume and gain) are my favorites. Also later there was the jcm 800 2210 and 2205 type which also had master volume and channel switching and reverb. Also, what is meant by the non master volume 800's is that marshall still put out in small numbers their 1987 and 1959 non master volume type amps like those that were popular in the 60's and 70's. U can tell the differance by the non master volume models have four input jacks on the front, the 2203/2204 have two input jacks, the 2210/2205 have one input jack. The non master type are very very loud and have alot less gain then the others, u really have to crank them up to get em to distort.

Awesome. Good info...thanks a lot. Very helpful.

J
 
There's no easy answer to the question of good 800's and bad 800's, except that it's strictly on a case-by-case basis. That's the nature of Marshall's manufacturing inconsistency over the years.
People can bitch and moan about this all they want, but it was primarily Marshall that wrote the book on Rock n Roll amplification, and they didn't exactly have a shitload of reference points to go by, so in effect I'd say Marshall made "mistakes" or "less than best" decisions in manufacturing and design through the years, and that companies like Mesa, Rivera, Peavey, Randall, etc, learned from these in order to better their own designs, so if you ask me, I think many major amplifier manufacturers owe a huge debt to Marshall for showing them what they could do and/or do better, as well as perhaps what NOT to do.

The biggest deciding factor in tonal differences between Vertical and Horizontal input 800's was the power supply configuration. Vertical input 2203's had 6 cap cans, or 12 individual capacitors. As part of cost cutting, and also the implementation of a standard spec power transformer for both 100w and 50w models (previously there was a PT with different secondary voltage specs for each model) the filtering arrangement changed and amount of filtering to the plates and screens increased, and also the plate voltage in the preamp increased by as much as 100v. This caused the Horizontal input 800's to sound "cleaner" and perhaps more polished but less full than the vertical input models, which had a more raw sound because of the filtering arrangement.
 
The best Marshall I ever heard/played was the 1986/7? JCM 800 2205 that I had as a teenager. I sold it to purchase a first year Mesa Boogie MKIV which I also ended up selling a few years later......... :doh:

Both were "AWESOME" and are the two biggest "regrets" as far as gear is concerned........ :cry:
 
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