Suhr Indian Rosewood - Shipping USA to Canada. CITES?

[Jimbo72]

Close to buying a Suhr with an Indian rosewood fretboard. Private sale on Reverb, shipping will be from the US to Canada. With the ban on rosewood, is there a chance the guitar gets confiscated at the CDN border?

 

[Stealthtastic]

I haven't had any issues with 4 - 5 guitars. They are really just looking for huge chunks of RW furniture & stuff not old guitars with a wee bit of the ole RW.

 

[cardinal]

I just got an Ibanez shipped the other direction that sailed through.

I could be wrong because they haven’t made the things easy to read and really grasp, but I think CITIES applies only prospectively. So if you can show via serial number that your guitar was built before the relevant CITIES enactment, you should be ok because it’ll be obvious that the guitar was built from pre-cites wood.

 

[GOHOINC]

Looking through the species list for cites, I believe it only applies to madagascar rosewood and ebony anyway.

Edit: my mistake, the madagascar thing is only ebony...

 

[PWE Amplification]

I just got an Ibanez shipped the other direction that sailed through.

I could be wrong because they haven’t made the things easy to read and really grasp, but I think CITIES applies only prospectively. So if you can show via serial number that your guitar was built before the relevant CITIES enactment, you should be ok because it’ll be obvious that the guitar was built from pre-cites wood.

Anything built before Jan. 2017 is pre-cites. All rosewood, 3 species of bubinga and kosso, also known as African rosewood require a permit and are listed in Appendix II. Brazilian rosewood is listed in Appendix I and cannot be exported except in circumstances where you can prove the age of the instrument. Some stuff may sail through but I do have a friend who recently had a guitar he was shipping inspected because there was no documentation. They took core samples of the fretboard, neck and ivoroid binding.

 

[cardinal]

I just got an Ibanez shipped the other direction that sailed through.

I could be wrong because they haven’t made the things easy to read and really grasp, but I think CITIES applies only prospectively. So if you can show via serial number that your guitar was built before the relevant CITIES enactment, you should be ok because it’ll be obvious that the guitar was built from pre-cites wood.

Anything built before Jan. 2017 is pre-cites. All rosewood, 3 species of bubinga and kosso, also known as African rosewood require a permit and are listed in Appendix II. Brazilian rosewood is listed in Appendix I and cannot be exported except in circumstances where you can prove the age of the instrument. Some stuff may sail through but I do have a friend who recently had a guitar he was shipping inspected because there was no documentation. They took core samples of the fretboard, neck and ivoroid binding.

You seem more knowledgeable on this than me but I’m just want to clarity:

So other than Brazilian rosewood, if you can prove the guitar was built before 2017, there should be no issues? Of course, that leads to what documentation they’d require for that proof.

 

[PWE Amplification]

I just got an Ibanez shipped the other direction that sailed through.

I could be wrong because they haven’t made the things easy to read and really grasp, but I think CITIES applies only prospectively. So if you can show via serial number that your guitar was built before the relevant CITIES enactment, you should be ok because it’ll be obvious that the guitar was built from pre-cites wood.

Anything built before Jan. 2017 is pre-cites. All rosewood, 3 species of bubinga and kosso, also known as African rosewood require a permit and are listed in Appendix II. Brazilian rosewood is listed in Appendix I and cannot be exported except in circumstances where you can prove the age of the instrument. Some stuff may sail through but I do have a friend who recently had a guitar he was shipping inspected because there was no documentation. They took core samples of the fretboard, neck and ivoroid binding.

You seem more knowledgeable on this than me but I’m just want to clarity:

So other than Brazilian rosewood, if you can prove the guitar was built before 2017, there should be no issues? Of course, that leads to what documentation they’d require for that proof.

I will call my contact at the CITES permitting office in Canada and will find out for you.

 

[PBGas]

I had a PRS with ebony shipped to me back in Dec. with no issues. Currently, I have a Suhr with a maple neck sitting in customs for 12 days now...most likely because some idiot is not doing their job.