Suhr SL68 Tone Matching (Axe FX2)

[petethorn]

My 1st attempt at "Tone Matching"- I also made an Impulse Response of my regular recording chain, which was a really cool experiment in it's own right. Really cool to capture the sound of my cab/mics/pres and a bit of processing, in an IR I could take with me anywhere...

 

[Anonymous]

The real amp sounds better to me. The Axe tone matched sound is more "refined", less raw, if that makes sense. Pretty damn close, though...

Steve

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I thought the Axe sounded a little more fizzy and more compressed.... but that said, it is pretty close and technology is only getting better! When did you start recording with the webers over the scumbacks? I've got a legacy, nice speaker..

 

[Audioholic]

Very close match! the amp had just a tad more balls and openness, but great tone match!

 

[Mark Day]

Way cool Pete!!! Sounded very close to me.

Mark

 

[Digital Jams]

I agree with Steve, played several times on monitors and the ax2 is more refined but yes real close and I would be happy with that tone.

The feel part you speak about, that is the one thing I would have zero desire to tweak and tweak to get if all I had to do was hit the mains.

 

[yngzaklynch]

The real amp sounds better to me. The Axe tone matched sound is more "refined", less raw, if that makes sense. Pretty damn close, though...

Steve

Agree

 

[Audioholic]

I was called out for saying this same thing on tgp. Geez.

Probably one ofthe better tone matched clips. That gritty open sound is hard for moddellers to get ad te axe did a great job and would love to have that patch if i had an axe

 

[Badronald]

Both sound cool.

 

[Digital Jams]

I was called out for saying this same thing on tgp. Geez.

Probably one ofthe better tone matched clips. That gritty open sound is hard for moddellers to get ad te axe did a great job and would love to have that patch if i had an axe

People can call out all they want, yes they are very close and I liked both but the ax2 is more refined and has more rounded edges. Does not take anything away from it, just pointing out what I hear. I could use that tone all day long.

 

[Audioholic]

I was called out for saying this same thing on tgp. Geez.

Probably one ofthe better tone matched clips. That gritty open sound is hard for moddellers to get ad te axe did a great job and would love to have that patch if i had an axe

People can call out all they want, yes they are very close and I liked both but the ax2 is more refined and has more rounded edges. Does not take anything away from it, just pointing out what I hear. I could use that tone all day long.

I Agree but my opinion was deemed typical cause I have a Kemper. Ha. Don't even know why I post on that site sometimes. Childish shit sometimes

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Live this would seem like a no brainer though. Dial it in and straight through the PA. Maybe this is why more and more bands are doing it this way? (even though we think it is the amps on stage with the mics in front that are actually delivering the goods)

 

[The Hoff]

Yeah, the amp does sound a little better but for live purposes-couldn't be better. You know what it'll sound like, much less to go wrong, much more portable.

 

[BYTOR]

This sounded pretty damn close.

If he didn't make it obvious which was which, many men would guess wrong.

If the Axe gets this close with Pete's virginal attempt at doing this Tone Match thing, then there is simply no reason to debate this subject any longer.

Whatever difference you "golden ear" types can hear could easily be tweaked with hardly any effort on the Axe-II.

Also, If he had played the Axe thru the actual cab(and not the IR of the cab) like he played the tube amp thru, you would hear no difference at all.

 

[Badronald]

This sounded pretty damn close.

If he didn't make it obvious which was which, many men would guess wrong.

If the Axe gets this close with Pete's virginal attempt at doing this Tone Match thing, then there is simply no reason to debate this subject any longer.

Whatever difference you "golden ear" types can hear could easily be tweaked with hardly any effort on the Axe-II.

Also, If he had played the Axe thru the actual cab(and not the IR of the cab) like he played the tube amp thru, you would hear no difference at all.

Ok.
I don't care if every internet guitar player on the planet is using an AxFx or Kemper. When I play with the band I'm plugging into my JTM45.
I can see myself running one of those things to record demos but that's it.
Someone mentioned there's less that could go wrong with an Ax. Are you kidding me? Let's see how those things are doing after 30 years of hard gigging! Wait. They won't be around in 30 years. It'll be outdated in 5 years and replaced with something more advanced with updated and much better tones.
Not against them but people just say stupid stuff. Sounds silly.

 

[manyaxes]

One thing that I really like about the tone-match feature is that is can be completely separated from the IR(cabinet) capture. That means Pete could capture another cabinet/mic combination, apply it to the axefx 2 patch and he would get the same results as if the remiced the real amp with the new real cab. As far as I know you cannot really do that with the kemper, because profiles always retain some cabinet color even if you disable the cabinet part.

 

[manyaxes]

Someone mentioned there's less that could go wrong with an Ax. Are you kidding me? Let's see how those things are doing after 30 years of hard gigging! Wait. They won't be around in 30 years. It'll be outdated in 5 years and replaced with something more advanced with updated and much better tones.
Not against them but people just say stupid stuff. Sounds silly.

I think you misunderstood what could go wrong with the amp:

-Damaged when loading/unloading or set up due to its heavy weight.
-Tube could go bad at any moment.
-Wrong mic position or bad sound tech.
-Be forced to use another player's cab/rig.
-Be forced to turn down the volume thus losing tone.
-Bad power affects tube amps more.

 

[jlbaxe]

You hit the nail on the head Pete. "Its a TOOL and great to add to the arsenal"
Great demo. Is the amp and or cab ir file shared somewhere?

 

[Anonymous]

This sounded pretty damn close.

If he didn't make it obvious which was which, many men would guess wrong.

If the Axe gets this close with Pete's virginal attempt at doing this Tone Match thing, then there is simply no reason to debate this subject any longer.

Whatever difference you "golden ear" types can hear could easily be tweaked with hardly any effort on the Axe-II.

Also, If he had played the Axe thru the actual cab(and not the IR of the cab) like he played the tube amp thru, you would hear no difference at all.

This isn't about golden ears. There is a difference people are pointing out in refinement vs. openness of the tone in this demo. Did it sound close enough for a mix with the rest of a band? Sure. Do I think it could be dialed in to sound even closer? Sure. Do I think it would be more reliable/convenient live? Sure. I didn't realize we were debating, I thought we were giving our thoughts on the current results.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

One thing that I really like about the tone-match feature is that is can be completely separated from the IR(cabinet) capture. That means Pete could capture another cabinet/mic combination, apply it to the axefx 2 patch and he would get the same results as if the remiced the real amp with the new real cab. As far as I know you cannot really do that with the kemper, because profiles always retain some cabinet color even if you disable the cabinet part.

Maybe, but you can do it by reamping with your real amps/cabs, too...

Steve