The definite Ecstasy user guide...

Nico

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Hi I hve put together what seem to me the most informative articles regarding the 101B that I've found on the internet.

Lets use this thread as a starting point for good descriptions such as the one below on how to dial the various Ecstasy models.

Well anyway here they are... enjoy

I have all this after the manual in a .docx document that you can request from me.


Settings from The Magic Eight (Rig Talk)

Green
This channel is much better than a lot of people give it credit for. I find with the right combination of gear, it pulls off some excellent clean tones.

Brightness & Gain - B1 here, no contest. B2 is very shrill and N too lifeless. Set the channel up with B1 and turn the gain up just before breakup. You get the V6 preamp tube working a little bit, with just enough compression to fill in the notes.

TMB - You'll want to adjust these settings to taste, obviously, but here's an important hint: don't turn the mids down too low! It may sound good by itself, but in context of the Blue and Red channels, will not work. Moreover, you need mids to be heard in a mix. Apart from that, don't add too much bass and you're set.

Presence & Excursion - Adding presence to this channel can be a great idea. If you find a lack of shimmer with the gain turned up a little higher, use presence to make up for it. This way, you still get your nice chimey clean tone with your compression. It stays lush instead of brittle. I find T excursion to work best at higher volumes. If you do want to accent the lower mids, M or even L will work, but watch your bass knob and turn your presence up.

Blue & Red
These channels are where it's at for me. I don't find any advantage in setting them up differently from each other, minus a few adjustments, but I have more to say on their application after listing settings.


Brightness - B2 is what I like best. It seems to focus on a frequency higher than what most guitars will accentuate, and contributes to how the amp opens up. It also seems to give a bit more definition to palm mutes and makes for an excellent chug. B1 - because it focuses on a frequency that guitars accentuate - is great for providing lots of gain. I find the overall tone to be less appealing than B2 - namely more fizz, compressed, nasally, etc. - but if for some reason I needed more gain - which the boosted Red channel on B2 has more than enough for me - I would consider B1. Or, if I had a hopelessly dark guitar with weak pickups, it might be a decent alternative. N sounds good too, but only if used carefully. A dark guitar will create mud here, and it will be least useful for very high gain. I might use N if I had, for example, a very bright Strat that I wasn't trying to OD too much. Read purring blues. For 90% of my applications though, it's B2. Not only does it sound excellent, but it seems to really bring out the best feel and tone of each guitar. Awesome.
Gain - With the brightness switches engaged, the tone gets brighter as you turn the gain knob down. If you need lower gain for either channel, N or B2 will probably sound best. Since I primarily use B2, I typically turn my gain knobs up pretty high. In the Blue channel, I like unboosted blue to sound best with the neck position of my guitars so that they're just past breakup. With single coils, this puts my gain at 3:00. Humbuckers end up between 1:30 and 3:00, towards 3:00 if I want more chunk with the bridge pickup. For blending purposes, I usually run Red gain a little lower than Blue. Typically, I'll set Red up around 2:00 and this brings me into perfect solo territory with the boost.

TMB - How you set these controls depends largely on the room and cab of your choice. A rule of thumb I use is to listen to the amp from as many angles as possible. I will usually, though, run the controls here or somewhere close: 11:00 T, 1:00 M, 12:00 B. I love mids, but I don't want so much that the feel of the amp diminishes. 1:00 is a sweet spot for me, but up to 2:30 still sounds great to my ears. Just depends on the situation! I find that if I leave mids at 1:00 though, I can set treble and bass around mids and it'll work out well.

Excursion & Presence - I group these controls because of how I run them. At low volumes, I find M or L excursion can fill out the amp well, but I then need to turn up presence to compensate. When I'm running the amp at a medium to higher volume, T gives off that nice, upper mid bite. I'd compare it to a Marshall, but it's the voice of the Ecstasy, not the JCM800. When I do this, I can turn presence up to noon without getting too bright, but find that it sounds better completely off. On the whole, I've found that raising the excursion to L or M forces you to raise Treble. Essentially, you're lowering upper mids since you're raising everything else. That has its place, but I prefer the upper mid bite.

Blue & Red Use -Important to note is that there are fewer gain stages in the Blue channel than Red. I've found that when the two channels are set up to have the same amount of gain (boosted Blue vs. unboosted Red), this translates to a slightly more open sound in the Blue channel. Since I set up boosted Blue to have about the same amount of gain as unboosted Red (out of coincidence, not deliberate), I'll use Blue for more neck pickup work and Red for bridge. Of course, there's not much of a difference and for a gig I wouldn't worry about it, but it's helpful in a recording situation.

Plexi Mode - Sometimes I'll run a lower gain set and replace the Red channel with Plexi mode. I find that this sounds best for stuff right on the brink of breakup. Then I can have completely clean on the Green channel, Red for Plexi, and Blue for medium to somewhat higher gain. Works great! You can set Blue up to sound like Plexi, but because Plexi has even fewer gain stages than the Blue channel (2 vs Blue's 3), it has a different feel.

Cabinet:

4x12s sound best. End of story. I've played through a few and for me, the Bogner sounds better than the others (as it should), though many other sound damn good. I use G12Ms in mine and it's a match made in heaven. For other cab and speaker use, the only thing I would change is the TMB controls. These are very effective in making different cabs sound great, and while the other controls can change tone drastically, I like to think of them as creating the feel of the amp rather than how much bass or treble is in my tone. At the very least, I'd start with TMB before messing with anything else. It's worked well for me so far.

Guitars and Pickups:

This one is tricky. Any type of guitar will theoretically sound great with this amp, but finding the right setup isn't always easy. This is partly because of how revealing the Ecstasy is. On the whole though, I've had more trouble with overly bright guitars than dark. Don't underestimate the power in the gain knob. Some guitars I've used that are way too bright with lower gain have worked out really well with higher gain. Another trick I use to get bright guitars to thicken up is to lower the pickups. Bring them away from the strings as you bring the gain up, and you should get a much more desirable, less brittle tone. If you absolutely can't get a guitar to sound good, it may be that you just don't like the tone of the guitar in the first place. Hell, sometimes you need a Rectifier to distort your guitar beyond recognition.


Tubes

Preamp - I don't have a 100% understanding of different preamp tubes with other setups. I know the following to be true with my settings, so take it at that. V1 needs to be clear. Chinese are great at doing that, and although a NOS Tesla sounds a little better, a good Chinese tube will suffice. V2 can be a little raunchy since it's your main gain tube. Brighter will do well here, though a bright tube with bad tone will not. V3 is more important than I first expected. You need to be careful here because of the high voltage, so don't put your LPS in this spot. Apart from that, darker tubes will work well to tame the highs of the gain and turn your amp's tone into gold. V4 is the FX loop. Use something clear; Chinese is great. V5 is the phase inverter. I have a NOS Tesla here that sounds phenomenal, but I've also liked the LPS in this spot. Be sure to get a good sounding tube in this spot. Trying out a few different ones - even of the same model - doesn't hurt. V6 is purely for the clean channel. I like a darker tube here to help the clean channel sound less brittle.

Power - I've heard a few different types of power tubes here, and while nearly any kind can sound really good, my favorite is the SED =C= EL34. Seems to have a rich midrange that can get a little swirly when pushed. The key with power tubes is that they're biased correctly. I've had JJ E34Ls in mine and even they sounded great when they were biased correctly. You'll want at least 30mA, and I run mine at 34. I've found that as long as they're not running so hot that it cuts into the amp's definition, you're safe. Realize that the bias can creep up over the course of your playing time, so check it again after having the amp on for an hour or so.

There are four things I've left out: Green boost, Old / New, Structure, and Class A/AB. I hate the Green boost and have never found it to sound good. Structure I haven't played around with as mine is always on H. Old / New is always at New for me, though I do like Old (I think it's a matter of adjusting presence to run it effectively), and I don't have the Class A/AB switch.

If there's anything you feel should be added to this, feel free to critique. It's taken me a bit of time to write out, but I hope that it will help at least someone! Although I appreciate the manual on the Bogner site, I feel like what I've written gives more insight to how the controls work rather than their strict function. Anyway, I'm done writing now!


Article: The Gear Page (MGSchnidel)

I've really put this wonderfully flexible amp through its paces for weeks alongside some of my favorite stock and modded marshalls, and hit it with some different overdrive and boost pedal configurations, as well. I wanted to push its limits, from smooth vintage cleans, to fat and toneful leads with endless sustain, to downright brutal for heavy thrash. As I tweaked and cranked my 101B, I did find some settings that would give folks trouble keeping the amp tight and crunchy. I've found that:

1) The blue and red channel gains are not the tightest distortions you'll find on a modern tube amp, and indeed the amp is quite vintage sounding, with lots of sag. As such, the blue and red channel gains seem tightest and fullest somewhere around 2:00, before getting a bit woofy and flubby just past that. If that's not enough gain or sustain for something you are doing, then hit the front end of the amp with a pedal like a good old STOCK vintage TS808 or STOCK Boss SD-1, and you'll be shocked at how tight and full it can be. I do NOT like my killer Keeley Modded pedals in front of this amp, as its input does NOT like to see that much bass hitting its front end, and the modded pedals with their extra bass tend to flub it up.

2) The assignable presence controls alone are absolutely indispensible and awesome for dialing up distinctly different voices between the blue and red channels for rhythms and leads.

3) The amp's gain seems way tighter, and the marshall-like midrange bite just starts to come in, with the presence controls up around 2:00 to 3:00 and above.

4) The amp really seems to prefer the bass knob at or less than 3:00, to avoid some major flub from that circuit.

5) The "NEW" voicing selection on the back of the amp is brighter and crunchier, with more clear, tight punch, than the "OLD" setting. The amp is overall dark and bassy enough that the OLD setting is not so helpful for heavier distortion settings, and things get too dark and smooth really fast. If you want a more marshally crunch and more upper mids out of this amp, stick with the NEW voicing.

6) The Excursion selectors (loose, medium, tight) really don't tighten up the gain. They just seem to be a bass high-pass that shelves out a lot of the thuddy, messy lows incrementally in the medium and tight settings. This makes the amp "seem" less flubby. But only backing down the preamp gain knobs actually tightens up the amp's gain significantly. I leave the Excursion selectors on Loose and just dial in less bass on the amp's eq, and I think the amp's overall voice is fuller and punchier that way. The bass knob takes out more flub than the excursion selector being set to "tight".

7) VERY IMPORTANT FOR HUMBUCKER USERS: A very overlooked feature on this amp, and the real deal-maker/breaker for me, is the "pre eq" voicing selectors. When set to "N", the blue and red channels sound kinda like a Mesa Boogie Mark series, with a dark, flubby low-midrange-focused voice in the gain. This can be a dismal mess if you're trying to get a tight, marshally high-gain voicing. I discovered that on my 101B, the amp is tightest, crunchiest, and has just the right amount of upper midrange edginess, when and only when I set the pre eq switches on blue and red channels to "B1" position. The difference, to me, is HUGE. This makes a bigger, more important difference to the gain texture than the Excursion switches. If I had to play this amp with the pre eq voicings on "N", I'd sell it LOL! Having the pre eq switch on "N" is as messy as trying to play a Mesa MK series amp with the pre eq Bass knob turned up too far (above 3). If you know what I mean here, then you're a tweaker that's ahead of the game, and you'll understand this amp pretty fast.

There are many other tweaking tricks with this amp, and it is so versatile and flexible I could write a freaking novel on how to fine-tune all the sounds you might want out of it.

This amp is NOT plug n play like it first seems. You CAN and WILL get some slightly "off" sounds and unpleasant gain textures out of it, without knowing how or why, or what features could even rectify your tweaking shortcomings. You may find yourself constantly tweaking and never quite satisfied, and perhaps one silly feature is simply switched the wrong way for your personal taste, keeping you from the tweaker's finish line. Don't give up, this amp is killer when you get it dialed in for your personal tastes and preferred play-feel.


Article: Getting Fender cleans - Bogner amp forum (brentSP)

I've been displeased with the XTC clean channel and just endured it for the most part all of these years. I've dissected the blue and red channels down to each grid, plate and cathode but never took the time to look into the green channel. Today I got my multimeter out, pulled the chassis on the XTC and went to work. I have the XTC schematic so I was able to follow along.

The XTC's clean preamp is a Fender Super Reverb/Deluxe Reverb clone. If anyone has played a good Fender blackface like a Super Reverb or Deluxe Reverb you know that the normal channel does not have a mid and presence control and the XTC has both mid and presences. Lets start with the mid control.

The XTC clean uses a 25k linear mid pot and the Fenders use a FIXED setting of 6.8k for the mids, no pot just a 6.8k resistor. So you have no control over the mids, its stuck on 6.8k. So where is 6.8k on the XTC's mid pot you say? I took a reading on the mid pot and the magic setting of 6.8k is around 10 o'clock on the XTC's mid control. For what its worth a Twin Reverb does have a mid control and its a 10k Audio pot.

Another component to the coveted Fender clean tone is the bright switch. The bright switch on a Fender is a 120pf which boost the extreme highs, the higher the value the more you start boosting the mids . On the XTC you have 3 choices B1=100pf, N=OFF, B2=220pf. 100pf is a lot closer to 120pf than 220pf so obviously you want to choose either B1 or N for the Fender tone. You will not hear the difference between 20pf's.

Presence control or lack there of on a Fender is easy on the XTC. Assign the presence B to the green channel and turn it completely off or down......thats it. Its basically quasi-removed out of the circuit.

Most people know this but its worth repeating as its probably the most important factor to getting the Fender clean. On a Fender there is NO master volume just a volume. Set the volume on the XTC to max and now your Gain control becomes your volume. This gives you the absolute best and complete mix of the pre and power amp.

Excursion setting. There isn't any type of bass boost in a Fender pwr amp so set the XTC to Tight which is OFF.
So a quick recap:
Mid control 10 O'clock (6.8k)
Bright switch either B1 or N
Presence turned all the way down or off
Volume maxed and use the gain for adjusting volume
Excursion set to Tight

Thats it! With these settings you can adjust the treble, bass and volume (gain control actually) to taste and you'll be in Fender heaven! The only thing missing is the Fender power amp and open back cabinet with Jensen Alnico speakers for the perfect Fender clean but that would really mess up the Marshally sounding lead channels.
I hope these tips help you get the most out of your XTC's clean!!
 
Those settings and opinions are a decent start. Speakers and cabs have a big effect on the XTC. The first one mentioned mids running at 1:00. Then I saw he was using a 412 with Greenbacks. Well, duh. Got to have mids as that makes up the majority of the EQ hump from a GB.

To me, the XTC sounds much better for rock/metal with V30's. Run the mids that high with V30's and its going to sound like a $2000 megaphone. Scoop the mids with the V30's and raise the top end a bit to really get the XTC moving.

All Bogner's respond immensely to tube changes, especially preamp tubes. The best to me is a mix of Chinese and Russian. The Tung Sols work very well, absent of some good NOS tubes. The EI's work wonders in V1.

Steve
 
I've managed to dial in an amazing clean with the settings above from the last article. I hope everyone can try it because it makes a huge difference!
 
steve_k":2zax9vp5 said:
Clean is for the weak Nico! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
:hys: With respect of course... I've got NOTHING against m'man Nico, but the smarminess in that retort was too much NOT to comment on :LOL: :LOL:

Aw hell, I still love the cleans out of this amp... Come to think of it, I really meant it when I said in my review of the amp that it'd be hard to make this thing sound bad. Played it again tonight - TimeFactor in the P-Loop, just enough to fatten it up... Gold.

G'Night Y'All,
V.
 
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