The MkV has me seriously considering selling my Fuchs ODS...

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For the last five years (well, up until November 2009) I've been using a hand tuned and factory modded Fuchs ODS-50 1x12 combo as my primary amp (and only amp aside from a Crate Power Block as an emergency backup). Since acquiring my Mesa Mark V at the beginning of November 2009 my Fuchs has been getting less and less use. I can't cop the Fuchs' tone/response with the MkV necessarily but it works as well as the Fuchs with its own strengths / attributes. I don't like the Fuchs any less but I'm just finding more and more that the MkV is a better fit for me and my approach every time I A/B them for any particular application. The traits that drew me to the Fuchs and kept me there are all present in the MkV and, in some cases more so than the Fuchs:

* seemingly endless sustain clean or dirty
* chewy overdrive texture with clear string-to-string note definition/separation
* thick and distinct overdrive texture in the lows and low mids that never sounds muddy / mushy
* sounds fantastic at any volume
* may be used as a channel switcher or a single channel amp in live applications
* great sounding reverb
* great sounding effects loop
* core tone ideal for many genres

I was sure when I was demo'ing and as I was purchasing the Mark V that I would be using it as an alternate and secondary amp to the Fuchs ODS (though I should have known through past experience that this was unlikely). The more I play through the Mark V and he more familiar I become with the controls and their interaction the more I find the Mark V taking over the Fuchs' job. I'm still playing through the Fuchs a little almost every day but, again, less and less as time passes. I'll find myself going back to the MkV before I shut everything down and realizing that it fits me better. This has been building up for five months now and I'm now beyond the 'honeymoon' with the Mark V.

I should have known that I would eventually reach a decision point between the two amps - no matter how many great amps I might have owned at any one time in my life I have always gravitated towards my favorite of the bunch and the rest eventually sit idle / unused. The only exception to this was when my primary amp was a Rivera Jake combo and I owned a Rivera Rake head (same amp) as a backup - I played through the Rake often. When I was gigging I kept a backup capable of taking over on the spot. I'm not gigging at all right now and have no plans to get involved in any project that would require regular gigging due to health complications. During the last five years when the Fuchs was back at the factory for mods or tuning I found myself using a software amp sim instead of an alternate amp (borrowed) or backup amp (Power Block + pedals).

The Mark V has clearly taken over as my primary amp and, as in the past with other alternates, I'm fast losing interest in the Fuchs simply because when I'm plugged into it I'd rather be plugged into the Mesa. I'm thinking about trading it or selling it for a Fractal Audio AxeFX Ultra rig (AxeFX unit / single or stereo pair powered FRFR monitor wedge / MIDI foot controller). This would end up replacing the software amp sims for late night / headphone practice, provide me with an additional recording tool for both bass and guitar, and provide me with some additional outboard effects for use with my DAW or with the Mark V. While I haven't really ever made regular use of more than one amp during any period of time I have used stand alone modelling in hardware or software form over the years regardless of amp used.

The Fuchs ODS is an amazing sounding amp, mine more so than a stock ODS! It has been inspirational to play through for five years now. I'm not down on the Fuchs in any way. In fact I'm a bit shocked to find myself considering selling or trading the amp at this point but I've been here before and I don't make these kind of decisions with any chance of regret to follow. If I decide to sell or trade it I'll be good with the decision from there forward.
 
spawnofthesith":2nddy9p2 said:
herbertmark5":2nddy9p2 said:
the markv is amazing. the cleans dont have much headroom though

What??? Is this a joke? :lol: :LOL:

What? That the Mark V is amazing? Yes, that is a joke. :lol: :LOL:
 
danyeo":6arqnkfy said:
spawnofthesith":6arqnkfy said:
herbertmark5":6arqnkfy said:
the markv is amazing. the cleans dont have much headroom though

What??? Is this a joke? :lol: :LOL:

What? That the Mark V is amazing? Yes, that is a joke. :lol: :LOL:

:lol: :LOL: shoot I screwed that one up. The MV is amazing! :gethim: ;) The lack of clean headroom part is whats throwing me :lol: :LOL:
 
spawnofthesith":37n7n1c6 said:
danyeo":37n7n1c6 said:
spawnofthesith":37n7n1c6 said:
herbertmark5":37n7n1c6 said:
the markv is amazing. the cleans dont have much headroom though

What??? Is this a joke? :lol: :LOL:

What? That the Mark V is amazing? Yes, that is a joke. :lol: :LOL:

:lol: :LOL: shoot I screwed that one up. The MV is amazing! :gethim: ;) The lack of clean headroom part is whats throwing me :lol: :LOL:

For me, it was the worst Mark series lead channel they ever came out with. The clean and crunch channels are pretty cool though. But a good Mark III on the lead channel destroys the V...IMHO.
 
You should try one with EL34s in it, that honestly turns the Mark V into a whole new beast. I've never played a I or IV, but I've played a IIb and a III and based on those limited encounters, I would say my mark V with el34s kills the IIB for sure, and is about on the same level as the III I played
 
spawnofthesith":99baij61 said:
You should try one with EL34s in it, that honestly turns the Mark V into a whole new beast. I've never played a I or IV, but I've played a IIb and a III and based on those limited encounters, I would say my mark V with el34s kills the IIB for sure, and is about on the same level as the III I played

Every Mark Boogie I've had i have always prefered them with 6L6's and not EL34's. I tried El34's in the V when i owned it. I had the crunch channel sounding great but i always wondered why they messed with the 3rd channel. I couldn't get it to sound like the other Mark series amps i owned which included about 5 Mark IV's, a couple of IIC+'s and a few III's. But hey, if it works for you then that's all that matters. And my tastes have changed since i think the Electra Dyne with a boost pedal is the best thing Boogie makes these days.
 
danyeo":1mf4dfpz said:
spawnofthesith":1mf4dfpz said:
herbertmark5":1mf4dfpz said:
the markv is amazing. the cleans dont have much headroom though

What??? Is this a joke? :lol: :LOL:

What? That the Mark V is amazing? Yes, that is a joke. :lol: :LOL:
dude many others that play loud with this amp have had this problem. the cleans canot be cranked loud enough period....many times peopl have askes me about this.
 
herbertmark5":su8a2v84 said:
dude many others that play loud with this amp have had this problem. the cleans canot be cranked loud enough period....many times peopl have askes me about this.

:confused: I haven't experienced this problem, and I play mine pretty dang loud. Full power, 90 watts, clean mode, gain at about 11:00, pristine at really high volumes with no breakup

danyeo":su8a2v84 said:
Every Mark Boogie I've had i have always prefered them with 6L6's and not EL34's. I tried El34's in the V when i owned it. I had the crunch channel sounding great but i always wondered why they messed with the 3rd channel. I couldn't get it to sound like the other Mark series amps i owned which included about 5 Mark IV's, a couple of IIC+'s and a few III's. But hey, if it works for you then that's all that matters. And my tastes have changed since i think the Electra Dyne with a boost pedal is the best thing Boogie makes these days.

Ah I gotcha. I'd really like to own a mark III one day as a back up, they go for killer prices and destroy the competition at a similar used price range.
 
danyeo":10kdgdcy said:
spawnofthesith":10kdgdcy said:
herbertmark5":10kdgdcy said:
the markv is amazing. the cleans dont have much headroom though

What??? Is this a joke? :lol: :LOL:

What? That the Mark V is amazing? Yes, that is a joke. :lol: :LOL:

Ralphie turned me onto the Fuchs booth at NAMM and right away I could hear the MK type thing going with the Fuchs, can't say that for the V since I have little hangtime but the IV can cop Fuchs type lead tones all day. Has that violin thing going.
 
herbertmark5":2n1euwkr said:
mark 5 is the best mesa ever ive owned all

So you've owned a real IIC+? How about a Mark III Coliseum? Red and Blue stripe Mark III's? A Coliseum has got twice the balls on the lead channel that the V has.....IMHO.
 
That's good that it's workin' for ya man. :)


I own a MarkIV and love it to bits. I heard a MarkV in person and was not impressed by the lead channel- and this is with John Petrucci playing it! no joke, it just sounded muddy to me. He even said he still loves the MarkIV amps and still performs live with them.
 
I think this is the same guy that floods the TGP with Mark V threads if I'm not mistaken. :lol: :LOL:
 
My Mark V must be sprinkled with unicorn dust and use mystic amazonian transistors because it sounds great. I read all of this "mark IV lead channel DESTROYS the mark V" etc. and I just don't get it. I've had a couple IV's and while they are great amps, they are nowhere near as versatile on the lead channel (or any channel) as the V. The V with Winged C EL34's on the lead channel can easily sound as good as the IV and better IMO. Extreme mode is killer. It sounds like 75% Mark/25% Recto and I LOVE it. :rock:
 
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