The T75 wins!

[blackba]

I hate G12T-75's with my Mesa mark IVA, yuck

G12T-75's with Marshall type amps are a good fit. With speakers you have to go with what works, as most people know, just cause speaker A sounds bad with one amp, does not mean it won't sound great with another amp...

 

[Trippled]

Well, I own an EL34 Uber TJ and I get to play alot through marshall jcm 900 cabs (the only cab you'll find in an Israeli reharsel roon) and I'm always fighting these cabs to sound decent, the other guitarist, which has a mesa roadster has the same experience, same story with the Rivera KR55 I had.

On the other hand, I got to play through a Rivera cab equipped with T75's and liked it actually, not as much as I liked a V30's equipped one, but it sounded good.

I think it has alot to do with the cab itself, I also played through a V30 marshall cab that wasnt sounding any good really, like any marshall cab I've tried.

 

[D-Rock]

I think Jerry at FJA is a good example of what T75's can sound like with a wide variety of amps. His clips always sound great and I believe all of them are done with a bone stock 1960A with T75's.

 

[some dude]

I wouldn't call master of puppets or and justice for all DULL at all. mark pre amps, marshall power amps and marshall cabs with 75's

Metallica used Marshal A/BV cabs with their mark amps. The marshall A/BV cabs had Vintage 30's.

Master of Puppets was a Marshall cab loaded with G12-65s. I think AJFA was the same, but I'm not sure. I know he had switched to V30s by the time he recorded the black album.

On topic... I generally hate T75s in person, although I do think they record really well.

 

[eternal_idol]

well atleast we all in agreement that it was a Marshall cab used.... lmao

 

[FourT6and2]

Worst speaker I've ever used. Seriously. Give me a Greenback any day!

 

[David_kessler]

Why do T75's sound better louder than at bedroom volumes? You guy's never hear of the Fletcher - Munson curve before? Think about this before your next gear experiment.

http://www.heilsound.com/pro/mic-primer ... munson.php

 

[Giga]

Why do T75's sound better louder than at bedroom volumes? You guy's never hear of the Fletcher - Munson curve before? Think about this before your next gear experiment.

http://www.heilsound.com/pro/mic-primer ... munson.php

Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself ? Fletcher-Munson says when a signal gets louder we hear relatively more highs and lows. So a scooped sounding speaker will only get more scooped the louder it gets ?

Giga

 

[Gooseman]

I think T75 do sound great -- especially cranked. As a matter of fact, I've only heard them cranked. I have one in the new Rivera Silent Sister I got. Very good sounding speaker. I don't hear as much of a mid-scoop as people claim they have. Definitely less articulate lows though. This speaker sounds great with my Roadster.

 

[David_kessler]

Why do T75's sound better louder than at bedroom volumes? You guy's never hear of the Fletcher - Munson curve before? Think about this before your next gear experiment.

http://www.heilsound.com/pro/mic-primer ... munson.php

Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself ? Fletcher-Munson says when a signal gets louder we hear relatively more highs and lows. So a scooped sounding speaker will only get more scooped the louder it gets ?

Giga

No contradiction, you're misreading the chart. Volume goes up , sound flattens out. Trust me it helps. Same reason that mixing is best while being monitored around 80 to 85 db, allows you to hear everything (ie low, mid, high) at a more natural balance.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Why do T75's sound better louder than at bedroom volumes? You guy's never hear of the Fletcher - Munson curve before? Think about this before your next gear experiment.

http://www.heilsound.com/pro/mic-primer ... munson.php

Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself ? Fletcher-Munson says when a signal gets louder we hear relatively more highs and lows. So a scooped sounding speaker will only get more scooped the louder it gets ?

Giga

No contradiction, you're misreading the chart. Volume goes up , sound flattens out. Trust me it helps. Same reason that mixing is best while being monitored around 80 to 85 db, allows you to hear everything (ie low, mid, high) at a more natural balance.

Actually I think you may be reading the chart incorrectly. The curvature on the chart has to do with how loud something has to be at a certain frequency before a person can perceive it. This has nothing to do with frequency and volume in general nor what happens as you raise the volume on an amplifier. Those are completely different, although I do see what you are trying to say about how with speakers louder usually sounds better.

 

[Giga]

Why do T75's sound better louder than at bedroom volumes? You guy's never hear of the Fletcher - Munson curve before? Think about this before your next gear experiment.

http://www.heilsound.com/pro/mic-primer ... munson.php

Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself ? Fletcher-Munson says when a signal gets louder we hear relatively more highs and lows. So a scooped sounding speaker will only get more scooped the louder it gets ?

Giga

No contradiction, you're misreading the chart. Volume goes up , sound flattens out. Trust me it helps. Same reason that mixing is best while being monitored around 80 to 85 db, allows you to hear everything (ie low, mid, high) at a more natural balance.

You're right, I did misread. I still find it strange though; almost everyone mentions they have to lower highs and lows when the play louder because they (highs and lows) get overbearing as the volume goes up. Any insight on that ?

Giga

 

[ericsabbath]

I actually like them better at home at moderate volumes
the '77 JMP 50w Mk2 I had sounded best with the T75's than with rola G12M's, V30's and others
nothing can beat the lead tone of the G12M's, though
I should have tried them in X pattern with the T75's
but, my '77 JMP was modded (some sort of high gain Jose, similar to the brown eye, but no jose master) and it was extremely bright and upper mid focused, so the speakers fitted like a glove
the '73 JMP I have now certainly wouldn't work as well with those speakers, since it's a much fatter and darker amp

 

[David_kessler]

Why do T75's sound better louder than at bedroom volumes? You guy's never hear of the Fletcher - Munson curve before? Think about this before your next gear experiment.

http://www.heilsound.com/pro/mic-primer ... munson.php

Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself ? Fletcher-Munson says when a signal gets louder we hear relatively more highs and lows. So a scooped sounding speaker will only get more scooped the louder it gets ?

Giga

No contradiction, you're misreading the chart. Volume goes up , sound flattens out. Trust me it helps. Same reason that mixing is best while being monitored around 80 to 85 db, allows you to hear everything (ie low, mid, high) at a more natural balance.

You're right, I did misread. I still find it strange though; almost everyone mentions they have to lower highs and lows when the play louder because they (highs and lows) get overbearing as the volume goes up. Any insight on that ?

Giga

Sorry, but no insight on that. Still trying to wrap my feeble little brain around all the science of sound. Always looking for answers to those moments that make you stop and think.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

The first day i learned about fletcher Munson was the very first day my tone started to improve.

I as many others as a youngster was guilty of setting my amp up in th bedroom and then wondering why it sounded like crap at the gig.