Two Notes Reload vs Aracom?

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I'm looking for any input on which way to go in regards to attenuation & re-amping purposes.

Basically looking to get the re-amping side of things going on with my Mojave Peacemaker.
Its bone stock & loud as hell, both Reload & Aracom will do this but the Reload has a couple of extra possibilties.
Primary need would be for load box line out capabilty.
I would also be using it as an attenuator from time to time.

Ok, I know there aren't that many Reloads floating around but the Two Notes gear seems to be pretty stellar.
Aracom's seem right up there too in the attenuator game.

Thanks in advance :thumbsup:
 
I had a "Live" and only sold it because I needed some cash. I was looking at getting another one soon but see the Reload is out. Two Notes is an awesome product. I sold my Axe Fx II because I could get my real tube amp with a cabinet that matched my Bogner cab, my effects all through a usb for recording or silent through head phones :rock:

Reload seems like a no brainer :yes:
 
It's brand new, it's been out only for a few weeks AFAIK... and it's the first thing I'll buy when I'll have a kid :)
 
Yeah I think I was just looking a week or 2 ago and sweetwater didn't have them listed yet.
 
jlbaxe":3b5b0n2u said:
Yeah I think I was just looking a week or 2 ago and sweetwater didn't have them listed yet.

They can be special ordered through sweetwater :thumbsup:
 
I can't say as I haven't owned either, but my guess is the Reload will perform better as full load (which is the way it's built) so it might get a better signal for silent recording. The Aracom might perform better under milder loads.
 
Rogue":36kn9301 said:
I can't say as I haven't owned either, but my guess is the Reload will perform better as full load (which is the way it's built) so it might get a better signal for silent recording. The Aracom might perform better under milder loads.

I'm not really looking at doing any recording, the device will be used for attenuation & as a load box with line out.
Both products look attractive at this stage.
 
philnz":1q0ll1ji said:
Rogue":1q0ll1ji said:
I can't say as I haven't owned either, but my guess is the Reload will perform better as full load (which is the way it's built) so it might get a better signal for silent recording. The Aracom might perform better under milder loads.

I'm not really looking at doing any recording, the device will be used for attenuation & as a load box with line out.
Both products look attractive at this stage.
Doesn't the Reload require Wall Of Sound for cab emulation? If so, then you will have to have a laptop in tow as well. Why not just get something like the Rivere RockCrusher? Attenuates and has line out for $495?
 
JerEvil":29wipyaz said:
Doesn't the Reload require Wall Of Sound for cab emulation? If so, then you will have to have a laptop in tow as well. Why not just get something like the Rivere RockCrusher? Attenuates and has line out for $495?
The Reload is a reamping attenuator to be used with your cabinet, although it doesn't have to be.
 
Rogue":1aq3es8a said:
JerEvil":1aq3es8a said:
Doesn't the Reload require Wall Of Sound for cab emulation? If so, then you will have to have a laptop in tow as well. Why not just get something like the Rivere RockCrusher? Attenuates and has line out for $495?
The Reload is a reamping attenuator to be used with your cabinet, although it doesn't have to be.
Yes, I understand that. However if the OP is wanting to use the line out, there will be no cab sim running to the FOH. It would be a frequency compensated signal from his amps preamp section, correct?
 
JerEvil":80vc1304 said:
Yes, I understand that. However if the OP is wanting to use the line out, there will be no cab sim running to the FOH. It would be a frequency compensated signal from his amps preamp section, correct?
If he's wanting to run a signal FOH, then no, an uncompensated line out wouldn't work. I didn't realize he was wanting to go FOH with it.
 
Rogue":3g9etjbs said:
JerEvil":3g9etjbs said:
Yes, I understand that. However if the OP is wanting to use the line out, there will be no cab sim running to the FOH. It would be a frequency compensated signal from his amps preamp section, correct?
If he's wanting to run a signal FOH, then no, an uncompensated line out wouldn't work. He just said reamping, so I'm not sure what he's wanting to use it for.

I'm assuming his definition of re-amping is different than ours. If you aren't using it for recording not sure why you would reamp. It seems like he needs the line out capability to run a line out for a W/D/W or as a slave out. Based on his description it seems like he wants to load down the peacemaker, run the line out into another amp or poweramp to get a cranked tone at lower volumes.

If this is the sole purpose, i would go for the cheaper option.
 
cyndicate":31xn62fp said:
Rogue":31xn62fp said:
JerEvil":31xn62fp said:
Yes, I understand that. However if the OP is wanting to use the line out, there will be no cab sim running to the FOH. It would be a frequency compensated signal from his amps preamp section, correct?
If he's wanting to run a signal FOH, then no, an uncompensated line out wouldn't work. He just said reamping, so I'm not sure what he's wanting to use it for.

I'm assuming his definition of re-amping is different than ours. If you aren't using it for recording not sure why you would reamp. It seems like he needs the line out capability to run a line out for a W/D/W or as a slave out. Based on his description it seems like he wants to load down the peacemaker, run the line out into another amp or poweramp to get a cranked tone at lower volumes.
I had assumed he was wanting to use it for wet/dry purposes, but I don't see that he said that.

I don't know what he wants to use it for. :lol: :LOL:

I suppose a big part of what he's needing depends on if he needs a compensated line out or not.
 
Rogue":3c8xi8uo said:
cyndicate":3c8xi8uo said:
Rogue":3c8xi8uo said:
JerEvil":3c8xi8uo said:
Yes, I understand that. However if the OP is wanting to use the line out, there will be no cab sim running to the FOH. It would be a frequency compensated signal from his amps preamp section, correct?
If he's wanting to run a signal FOH, then no, an uncompensated line out wouldn't work. He just said reamping, so I'm not sure what he's wanting to use it for.

I'm assuming his definition of re-amping is different than ours. If you aren't using it for recording not sure why you would reamp. It seems like he needs the line out capability to run a line out for a W/D/W or as a slave out. Based on his description it seems like he wants to load down the peacemaker, run the line out into another amp or poweramp to get a cranked tone at lower volumes.
I had assumed he was wanting to use it for wet/dry purposes, but I don't see that he said that.

I don't know what he wants to use it for. :lol: :LOL:

I suppose a big part of what he's needing depends on if he needs a compensated line out or not.

Apologies for not being clearer, but I'm not looking to do any recording or sending a signal to FOH.

Basically since the Peacemaker is home amp, I'm looking to get a good load box & tap the signal from the line out to effects & a separate power amp to run a wet/dry set up.
Also find a most transparent attenuator to boot & run it with other amps.

I have seen the Rivera Rockcrusher ( as someone suggested ) but the reviews have been mixed.
The reason I've narrowed it down to the Reload & Aracom is transparency.

Hope this clears things up.
 
philnz":nqq8nur5 said:
Rogue":nqq8nur5 said:
cyndicate":nqq8nur5 said:
Rogue":nqq8nur5 said:
JerEvil":nqq8nur5 said:
Yes, I understand that. However if the OP is wanting to use the line out, there will be no cab sim running to the FOH. It would be a frequency compensated signal from his amps preamp section, correct?
If he's wanting to run a signal FOH, then no, an uncompensated line out wouldn't work. He just said reamping, so I'm not sure what he's wanting to use it for.

I'm assuming his definition of re-amping is different than ours. If you aren't using it for recording not sure why you would reamp. It seems like he needs the line out capability to run a line out for a W/D/W or as a slave out. Based on his description it seems like he wants to load down the peacemaker, run the line out into another amp or poweramp to get a cranked tone at lower volumes.
I had assumed he was wanting to use it for wet/dry purposes, but I don't see that he said that.

I don't know what he wants to use it for. :lol: :LOL:

I suppose a big part of what he's needing depends on if he needs a compensated line out or not.

Apologies for not being clearer, but I'm not looking to do any recording or sending a signal to FOH.

Basically since the Peacemaker is home amp, I'm looking to get a good load box & tap the signal from the line out to effects & a separate power amp to run a wet/dry set up.
Also find a most transparent attenuator to boot & run it with other amps.

I have seen the Rivera Rockcrusher ( as someone suggested ) but the reviews have been mixed.
The reason I've narrowed it down to the Reload & Aracom is transparency.

Hope this clears things up.

The aracom is a great attenuator with regards to transparency but I found the line out signal was not good enough for a signal sent direct to an effects processor for wet dry wet as it is too raw and the eq on it is all over the place.
to get around this issue I ran my aracom in conjunction with the Palmer PDI 09 speaker emulator.
The amp signal goes into the PDI 09 first and then into the aracom and then the speaker emulated signal from the PDI 09 goes into my eventide then the aracom feeds my cab it worked really nicely although.... I have now sold the Aracom and just use the PDI 09 and find its all I need for wet dry wet.

another unit that I found that worked nicely was the Marshall SE 100 it is a load box an attenuator and a speaker emulator all combined into one unit so you can use it as an attenuator and tap a speaker emulated signal out of it and feed a cab with it at the same time. it terms of transparency I felt it was as good as the Aracom , the only drawback I found with the Marshall SE 100 is if you use the attenuation then your head MUST be set for 8 OHMS , the other drawback is they are old units and difficult to find and you have to check all functions work on them before buying, the speaker emulated signal on the se 100 is really nice for wet dry wet
 
H3000":11410jyh said:
The aracom is a great attenuator with regards to transparency but I found the line out signal was not good enough for a signal sent direct to an effects processor for wet dry wet as it is too raw and the eq on it is all over the place.
to get around this issue I ran my aracom in conjunction with the Palmer PDI 09 speaker emulator.
The amp signal goes into the PDI 09 first and then into the aracom and then the speaker emulated signal from the PDI 09 goes into my eventide then the aracom feeds my cab it worked really nicely although.... I have now sold the Aracom and just use the PDI 09 and find its all I need for wet dry wet.

Cool thanks for that.

Just out of interest, what model Aracom was it?
One of the earlier ones or one of the updated versions like the PRX 150-Pro 2 or PRX 150-DAG?

Also the PRX 150-DAG model's line out gives you a push/pull pot that switches between the raw Non-EQ'd lineout signal & an EQ'd (speaker filter) lineout signal.
 
philnz":20pgox2h said:
H3000":20pgox2h said:
The aracom is a great attenuator with regards to transparency but I found the line out signal was not good enough for a signal sent direct to an effects processor for wet dry wet as it is too raw and the eq on it is all over the place.
to get around this issue I ran my aracom in conjunction with the Palmer PDI 09 speaker emulator.
The amp signal goes into the PDI 09 first and then into the aracom and then the speaker emulated signal from the PDI 09 goes into my eventide then the aracom feeds my cab it worked really nicely although.... I have now sold the Aracom and just use the PDI 09 and find its all I need for wet dry wet.

Cool thanks for that.

Just out of interest, what model Aracom was it?
One of the earlier ones or one of the updated versions like the PRX 150-Pro 2 or PRX 150-DAG?

Also the PRX 150-DAG model's line out gives you a push/pull pot that switches between the raw Non-EQ'd lineout signal & an EQ'd (speaker filter) lineout signal.

Hi
it was the PRX 150-DAG the one with the push/pull pot on the line out and the line out when used into an Eventide H3000 with either the Non EQ or with EQ option I found the line out was just not good enough to use into the H3000 as it makes the wet signal sound totally different to the dry signal
maybe I am just being fussy but I want my wet signal delay/reverb to be a perfect mirror image of my dry signal
I have heard many W/D/W rigs where the dry signal and the wet signal sound distinctly different and that just does not work for me.

specifically when using stuff like delay or reverb I always want my dry signal from the center cab to perfectly intact as if no time based effect is being used and then the two wet signals must be identical in tone and gain etc so it all sounds like one signal and the two things I always find mess it up are a non speaker emulated signal for the processor or using a tube power amp for the wet signal.

EVERY time without exception that I have tried using a tube poweramp for the wet signal it fucks up the sound because the wet signal no longer sounds like the dry signal and for me that defeats the purpose of using W/D/W but..... whatever floats boat
just listen to guys like EVH VAI Aldrich etc they are all using solid state poweramps for their wet signal and with good reason
the Aracom is great as an attenuator but its not up to the job as a stand alone unit for wet dry wet .. thats just my opinion of course....
 
Wow great feedback.
Damn it thats a shame about the Aracom's line out signal not being that flash :aww:

A couple of thoughts tho.
I don't use any rack gear, my effects are just a Neunaber WET reverb & El Cap. Would that make any difference?
I hear you on tube poweramp coloration, I use Matrix GT-800....although I haven't noticed any adverse sound with a VHT 2/50/2

Also another way around the problem would be to use the Aracom strictly as an attenuator then plugging a lineout box into the 2nd speaker jack on the back of the amp. Then from the lineout box to the effects pedals into the Matrix for the wet cab/s???

I've used this method very successfully with mv amps ( minus attenuator of course) :thumbsup:
H3000":2zhlkpdf said:
Hi
it was the PRX 150-DAG the one with the push/pull pot on the line out and the line out when used into an Eventide H3000 with either the Non EQ or with EQ option I found the line out was just not good enough to use into the H3000 as it makes the wet signal sound totally different to the dry signal
maybe I am just being fussy but I want my wet signal delay/reverb to be a perfect mirror image of my dry signal
I have heard many W/D/W rigs where the dry signal and the wet signal sound distinctly different and that just does not work for me.

specifically when using stuff like delay or reverb I always want my dry signal from the center cab to perfectly intact as if no time based effect is being used and then the two wet signals must be identical in tone and gain etc so it all sounds like one signal and the two things I always find mess it up are a non speaker emulated signal for the processor or using a tube power amp for the wet signal.

EVERY time without exception that I have tried using a tube poweramp for the wet signal it fucks up the sound because the wet signal no longer sounds like the dry signal and for me that defeats the purpose of using W/D/W but..... whatever floats boat
just listen to guys like EVH VAI Aldrich etc they are all using solid state poweramps for their wet signal and with good reason
the Aracom is great as an attenuator but its not up to the job as a stand alone unit for wet dry wet .. thats just my opinion of course....
philnz":2zhlkpdf said:
H3000":2zhlkpdf said:
The aracom is a great attenuator with regards to transparency but I found the line out signal was not good enough for a signal sent direct to an effects processor for wet dry wet as it is too raw and the eq on it is all over the place.
to get around this issue I ran my aracom in conjunction with the Palmer PDI 09 speaker emulator.
The amp signal goes into the PDI 09 first and then into the aracom and then the speaker emulated signal from the PDI 09 goes into my eventide then the aracom feeds my cab it worked really nicely although.... I have now sold the Aracom and just use the PDI 09 and find its all I need for wet dry wet.

Cool thanks for that.

Just out of interest, what model Aracom was it?
One of the earlier ones or one of the updated versions like the PRX 150-Pro 2 or PRX 150-DAG?

Also the PRX 150-DAG model's line out gives you a push/pull pot that switches between the raw Non-EQ'd lineout signal & an EQ'd (speaker filter) lineout signal.

Hi
it was the PRX 150-DAG the one with the push/pull pot on the line out and the line out when used into an Eventide H3000 with either the Non EQ or with EQ option I found the line out was just not good enough to use into the H3000 as it makes the wet signal sound totally different to the dry signal
maybe I am just being fussy but I want my wet signal delay/reverb to be a perfect mirror image of my dry signal
I have heard many W/D/W rigs where the dry signal and the wet signal sound distinctly different and that just does not work for me.

specifically when using stuff like delay or reverb I always want my dry signal from the center cab to perfectly intact as if no time based effect is being used and then the two wet signals must be identical in tone and gain etc so it all sounds like one signal and the two things I always find mess it up are a non speaker emulated signal for the processor or using a tube power amp for the wet signal.

EVERY time without exception that I have tried using a tube poweramp for the wet signal it fucks up the sound because the wet signal no longer sounds like the dry signal and for me that defeats the purpose of using W/D/W but..... whatever floats boat
just listen to guys like EVH VAI Aldrich etc they are all using solid state poweramps for their wet signal and with good reason
the Aracom is great as an attenuator but its not up to the job as a stand alone unit for wet dry wet .. thats just my opinion of course....
 
That would do it definitely Ive done the same thing just using boss digital delay pedals and chorus pedal etc and its suprising just how good a result can be acheived.
the Aracom is definitely a worthwhile Item as an attenuator. its superb with non master vol type amps , the only amp I couldnt get it sound right with was an old boogie but all my el34 type stuff sounded great even the Master volume marshalls sounded outstanding with it
 
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