V30 pairing... G12K-100 or G12T-75?

[errrrrl]

I want to try something different over the winter break. Local craigslist has T-75s and K-100s, trying to figure out what would be best mixed with V30s... mainly for thrash metal and lots of palm muting

What say ye RT?

 

[ChurchHill]

Well, if it was me, I'd go with K100s. On their own, they're brutal speakers - tight lows with full but not overbearing mids and highs. I have a FL Diezel cab with all K100s and gigged for years with an old pair of Peavey cabs with K85s in them (same exact speaker, Celestion just decided that it really could handle 100w). They're very nicely balanced and I'd think would help round out the V30 mid spike.

Then again, Bogner uses a mix of V30s and T75s in the UberKab. They do work really well together, but I can hear that the T75s (M magnet) aren't putting out the same level as the V30s (H magnet), nor are they putting out nearly the mids. Unless I'm closer than 3-6 feet away from the cab, it sounds more balanced and is an awesome cab.

Not to muddy the water, but I've considered replacing the T75s in the UberKab with Classic 80s (Bogner offers this option) or either the M65 or H75 Creambacks. IMHO, the C80s could keep up with the V30s, but they are also a fairly bright speaker and it may end up being overkill. I love the M65s and think they'd pair will with V30s, but again, because of the different magnet sizes, they might not seem as loud as the V30s. That leads me to the H75, which I haven't tried yet. Hear great things about it, though. YMMV.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I would try the creamback75- v30 mix first, then gt-75, then g12k100.

I know its not on your list however.

 

[Spaceboy]

I use H30s paired with V30s, never liked T75s. I play roughly similar music. I dig the brightness of the H30s to compliment the V30 midrange.

 

[mchn13]

Also not to stir the pot, but I want to try a couple of those hesu demons with my v-30's.

 

[Loudness250]

You want to try a g12m-70? I got two for sale on your local Craigslist. ha ha.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Thrash metal... palm muting...

GT-75s. No question. That’s what all the thrash bands (Metallica, Megadeth, et al) used.

 

[jdel77]

V30's bring the mids.
75's bring the lows and highs.

Pretty much the equivalent of turning your bass, mids and treble up to 10. Not really much room to move.
I've tried it in an Ubercab and it was very in your face.
I much prefer the V30 and G12-65 in an X configuration.
Friggen brutal but not as ear penetrating.

 

[stratjacket]

V30’s pair well with T75’s, I have that in my UberKab and it’s punchy and brutal and everything a good metalhead needs. I’d try that if you’ve never tried it.
Pairing the V30 with K100’s sounds interesting, but the other combo is tried and true and definitely worth experiencing.

 

[braintheory]

I've also been curious about this and asked the exact same question on here before, but couldn't get too clear of an answer. On one hand I keep hearing guys say how the k100 beats the t75's in every way by being less scooped and harsh, but it seems not many have tried it combined with the v30's. Yes, the v30's and t75's are tried and true and sounds great in my ubercab, but that still doesn't mean the v30's and k100's can't potentially be an even better combo

For what it's worth I never liked the sound of all k100's in the Diezel cabs (too hollow, distant sounding), but they are very tight, so they could maybe be great to add the tightness to the v30's

Other than the k100's and t75's, I'd be a little skeptical if the other speakers mentioned so far will have the tightness to compliment the v30's for what it seems like you're looking for

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

I've also been curious about this and asked the exact same question on here before, but couldn't get too clear of an answer. On one hand I keep hearing guys say how the k100 beats the t75's in every way by being less scooped and harsh, but it seems not many have tried it combined with the v30's. Yes, the v30's and t75's are tried and true and sounds great in my ubercab, but that still doesn't mean the v30's and k100's can't potentially be an even better combo

For what it's worth I never liked the sound of all k100's in the Diezel cabs (too hollow, distant sounding), but they are very tight, so they could maybe be great to add the tightness to the v30's

Other than the k100's and t75's, I'd be a little skeptical if the other speakers mentioned so far will have the tightness to compliment the v30's for what it seems like you're looking for

I'm not a fan of K100s... alone all 4 in a 4X12 or mixed. They sound flat, and dull. Blah and meh at best. If you like thrash... GT75s are what 90% of those bands used... if it ain't broke?

 

[braintheory]

I've also been curious about this and asked the exact same question on here before, but couldn't get too clear of an answer. On one hand I keep hearing guys say how the k100 beats the t75's in every way by being less scooped and harsh, but it seems not many have tried it combined with the v30's. Yes, the v30's and t75's are tried and true and sounds great in my ubercab, but that still doesn't mean the v30's and k100's can't potentially be an even better combo

For what it's worth I never liked the sound of all k100's in the Diezel cabs (too hollow, distant sounding), but they are very tight, so they could maybe be great to add the tightness to the v30's

Other than the k100's and t75's, I'd be a little skeptical if the other speakers mentioned so far will have the tightness to compliment the v30's for what it seems like you're looking for

I'm not a fan of K100s... alone all 4 in a 4X12 or mixed. They sound flat, and dull. Blah and meh at best. If you like thrash... GT75s are what 90% of those bands used... if it ain't broke?

Yeah I think what you're describing as flat and dull is what I mean when I said they sound distant. They did seem to have though a very tight and big bottom end, so I still am curious how that would pair with v30's compared to t75's. Out of curiosity, what did you hear the k100's mixed with? And have you gotten to make any direct comparisons of it with the t75's?

 

[rottingcorpse]

All I play is modern and classic thrash from E standard down to drop C.

I have several cabs loaded with the pairings you are asking about. I dig both the v30/k100 and the v30/g12-75 setup. I have found that different heads prefer different pairings. IMO,you're gonna have to try them both to find out for yourself what you prefer. But as previously stated,the g12-75 is a classic thrash speaker.

 

[sg guy]

-Kerry King uses the V-30 · K100 mix in a MODE 4 CAB-
-If you want speakers with "character" -(British voiced)-stay with Celestion's H series -{as in Heavy magnet, not Heritage}-the heavy magnet responds much quicker, holds together much better)-
-if you want "zero-character" -(american voiced)- from your speakers, and get your "character" from your amp & pedals, Its hard to beat the 300w, EVM,12L,... -{Zak Wylde version}- Make sure you have the cab to handle the thump.

-the speaker mix that ended my quest- -{CELESTION V-30's (MESA Propriety) & 55hz H30's}- 8ohm versions, especially the 55hz H30, & you'll probably end up putting the 55hz H30's on the bottom, surprisingly they over power the V-30's...

 

[Spaceboy]

k100s have no balls, had a quad if they them but maybe pairing isn’t so bad but id prefer pairing with a speaker with more character

 

[brianiac5150]

I've paired a V30 loaded Splawn 1x12 with a V-Type loaded Splawn 1x12 to excellent results.

Doesn't seem to be much love/experience here with the V-Type speaker, which I really enjoy. ...not that I've searched for this specific topic...

I also have a V-Type in a Mojotone Canyon 1x12 cab that sounds very good. Katana 100 head into that thing can rip faces off.

 

[LunatiBSW]

They are both great combos, some amps work better with either or.
I had a Bogner Uberkab and it was sweet. I currently have a 4x12 of each v30 and k100, which bring the pain ran together. All the cabs were fl, they are tighter to me. You prob can’t go wrong with either, with the stuff you play.

 

[errrrrl]

Thanks for the input guys, it really helped. I ended up going with the T75's.

I met up with the seller today who was this tiny older Chinese guy who totally didn't look the part but ended up being a really cool guy that totally knew his shit. We probably could have talked gear all day lol. He came out with 6 boxes of T75s 16 ohms some old, some new. I opt'd for an older looking matched pair that he said came out of an old Marshall cab. I think I remember reading something about the older T75s from the 80s sounding better than the newer ones or something like that... oh well, hoping to get these things plugged in tomorrow. Thanks again all!

 

[Mr. Willy]

Got 2 reissue Greenbacks mixed with 2 old 90s V30s. I did have those V30s mixed with some Warehouse Veteran 30s, and it sounded really good. The combo I have now is more raw rock n’ roll, but the Warehouse Vetran 30 mix was very good for more modern stuff like what you’re describing. Sounded better than a V30/G12T-75 mix, imho. Deeper, more balanced.

 

[riffermadness]

I've paired a V30 loaded Splawn 1x12 with a V-Type loaded Splawn 1x12 to excellent results.

Doesn't seem to be much love/experience here with the V-Type speaker, which I really enjoy. ...not that I've searched for this specific topic...

I also have a V-Type in a Mojotone Canyon 1x12 cab that sounds very good. Katana 100 head into that thing can rip faces off.

I have been using V-types for 2 years now,once they break in they sound great,and I have the V30 mix with V-type..for me it does heavy palm muting with no problems,but if the OP wants to stay with what he has said V30/75 mix works great.