Vh4 Channel Voicings - Differences and Einstein-Comparison

[volkair]

Hi...

can somebody tell me the main difference of the Ch 2 and Ch 3 of the VH4? Which one is more a "Hotrod-Marshally-Bigballs-Sound"?

I would like to get more of a Marshall Type of Sound, not that thin and "scrachy" Highmid-get-my-Teeth-out Sound, but more like a Hot Rod JCM800 with more bottom and Diezel Balls! I don´t want a Marshall, I have one But I really like the Tightness and that huge Sound of my Einstein. But sometimes a bit more upper mids in my Rhythmsound would be helpful, to get the steps between that different Styles of music!!!

It is not that easy to describe-I have to keep myself up in a Band with a typical Marshall "Saw", which sometimes keeps me down until I crank my Einstein. So in fact it is difficult to adjust the Bandsound.

When I tweak Einis´Ch1 and 2 in a way, that they sound nearly the same, the Ch2 has a bit more upper Midrange, what makes it more "present". Nevertheless it is a bit to "slow", which makes it difficult for sharp Rhythm-playing.

What should I do? I have to play with my Eini in 3 different Bands, with different Guitars. Would it be a good Idea, to bring the Ch1 of the Eini a bit more to higher Mids and less Compression?! Maybe more like the Ch2 of the VH4 but as a Hotrodstyle?

I would mainly use the Ch1 Mega for Rhythm and Ch1 Texas for low Gain Crunch Sounds, which i "boost" with Master 2.
Ch2 is used as Leadch. only, which works well.

Settings Ch 1:
Gain 12
Vol 13
Hi 13
Mid 12
Bass 12
Deep 9
Pres 13
Master depends...mostly round 9
Master 2 10

Cab is Diezel 212 V30 RL

or Bogner 412 V30

 

[Ventura]

VH4 Ch.2 can easily get you into that territory, but with its own signature Diezel tone. Ch.2 on the VH4 is often overlooked, as is Ch.1 and Ch.4, because for the most part, it's all about Ch.3 baby. But the VH4 is one of the most capable amps on the planet. As I've said before, it's the most popular Diezel found in studios around the world, and one of the most popular amps period, in many studios - and there's a good reason for this. It's incredible.

But properly tweaked, Ch.2 can get you there. Stick a BB Pre up front or something toneful and raw, you can slam it out with that hard hittin' bass that your post indicates you're seeking. I'm not a fan of stomps - fact is I use 'em less and less since owning Diezels. But a lot of cats on this board stick a little grit in front of their heads and that's fine - it's all up to you and your ears.

Hope this helps.
Uncle Mo

 

[racerevlon]

Agree with Uncle Mo. Take the time with channel 2 on the VH4 and you can get magical sounds. You'll be slightly constrained by the fact that you only have V30'S, but you should still be able to get the sound you're looking for with either VH4 channel 2 alone, or with a Tube Screamer, SD-1, BB, MXR Micro Amp, etc.

 

[elfredoo]

try an eq-pedal between guitar and amp to tweak for your midrange

 

[ericsabbath]

the mega mode on both einstein and vh4 can get marshally with mids and presence up and the gain around 10 o clock
channel volume tends to add body, while master adds dry and tight sounding clean headroom

 

[cardinal]

Try turning the deep knob off and the presence very low and then tweak from there. That to me brings the amp more forward, making it leaner and meaner sounding.

 

[Ventura]

the mega mode on both einstein and vh4 can get marshally with mids and presence up and the gain around 10 o clock
channel volume tends to add body, while master adds dry and tight sounding clean headroom

Not sure there is such a beast on the VH4. But as for the Einy, yes, this was the purpose of it, really.

Try turning the deep knob off and the presence very low and then tweak from there. That to me brings the amp more forward, making it leaner and meaner sounding.

Bingo. Let's retrace the sonic steps of the older vintage Marshall amps - somewhat anemic in the lower frequencies, they took care of the mid to high end range, while a bass player and keyboardist took care of the rest. That was then, this is now. Today's amps have been developed more and more with lower end response in mind. But to get back into that kerrangy tone, remove "today's" EQ from the amp - depth, bass, etc. - and careful with the presence. This will bring the amp up and over its usual sonic pocket that it sits in, and make it a bit more raw, searing and hot.