VHT/Fryette Pittbull price?....

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if I get one it will most likely be used.
Cause I know what they go for new.
So if get a Vht 50~Cl or a Vht G~100~Cl with or without EQ
What is a good price range?
 
Dose anyone find the with or without eq better?
I seen a video of a 1991 without Eq & I was blown away!!
 
TDePaul1313":bh0upaf2 said:
Dose anyone find the with or without eq better?
I seen a video of a 1991 without Eq & I was blown away!!
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I played my Ultra Lead without the EQ engaged most of the time (even though I was playing in a drop-tuned metal band at the time). I find that great tube amps have character and ability to cut through the mix... and when you get all "scoopy" with the EQ -- it just guts all of the tone. It almost makes me sad to see some "kid" with a sweet tube amp, scooping the mids-out and making it sound like every other POS buzzy amp.
 
I've seen CL50's go from $750-$1100, the 100 watt, $1000-$1400. What kind of tones are you wanting to get out of it? Personally, I wouldn't be concerned whether it has the EQ or not. It can be handy sometimes. But honestly I think that I would prefer having the depth and presence knobs on the front more, lol. You could always just get an EQ pedal if need be


Red_Label":1em8z939 said:
I played my Ultra Lead without the EQ engaged most of the time (even though I was playing in a drop-tuned metal band at the time). I find that great tube amps have character and ability to cut through the mix... and when you get all "scoopy" with the EQ -- it just guts all of the tone. It almost makes me sad to see some "kid" with a sweet tube amp, scooping the mids-out and making it sound like every other POS buzzy amp.
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I usually have the EQ engaged but it's mostly flat. I only use it to cut at 5k, to make it a bit less harsh. Do you get a large volume boost when the EQ is on? Even with the sliders at unity?
 
Ben tone wise I go for more a Lynch, Bettencourt, Blues Saraceno, Steve Stevens, & EVH type tones. I was gonna get a Splawn QR. The Splawn shop is 3 street over from where I live. But man! Vht Pittbull's are killer!
 
TDePaul1313":psfix22r said:
Ben tone wise I go for more a Lynch, Bettencourt, Blues Saraceno, Steve Stevens, & EVH type tones. I was gonna get a Splawn QR. The Splawn shop is 3 street over from where I live. But man! Vht Pittbull's are killer!
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Having owned a VHT Pittbull UL, and had a few Splawns (Pro Mod and Quick Rod) in my possession -- I would say that for the tones you are looking for the Splawn is FAR superior... NO contest. For those tones it's hard to beat Splawn, Friedman, and the original (Marshall).
 
benduncan":z3do13ry said:
I usually have the EQ engaged but it's mostly flat. I only use it to cut at 5k, to make it a bit less harsh. Do you get a large volume boost when the EQ is on? Even with the sliders at unity?
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It's been a couple of years since I let the VHT go (to a fellow Rig-Talker). So I honestly don't remember the volume difference. I just remember that I ended-up leaving it off most of the time because the amp seemed to have more mojo without it for me.
 
There's no inherent volume boost with the sliders set flat. If this is something you've experienced, something else was boosting the signal. I would venture to say something in the FX loop would be the culprit if that was the case. A level somewhere is set incorrectly. -10 vs +4 db.

Personally, I wouldnt buy a UL or a CL without the graphic but thats mainly because I think its a real valuable tone in shaping the tone.
I do see alot of guys scooping the tone out though in the 800-1K area and thats just bad news if you want to cut through. I actually boost this area. I'm using a V30 loaded cab though, I forgot if this is necessary with a VHT/Fryette cab
 
red_lable Yeah I played a Splawn QR w/ a Glenz Benz 2x12 @ a GC a few weeks ago.
It was Killer! Just don't know if I'd be truely happy w/ it.
I'd really like to find a Pittbull to try out b4 I decide.
 
TDePaul1313":3m6v98i0 said:
red_lable Yeah I played a Splawn QR w/ a Glenz Benz 2x12 @ a GC a few weeks ago.
It was Killer! Just don't know if I'd be truely happy w/ it.
I'd really like to find a Pittbull to try out b4 I decide.
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The only ears and preference that matters is your own. :rock:

I would say though, that the QR with a 4X12 loaded with the right speakers would be hard to beat for the tones that you seem to prefer.

If you're looking for an amp with pretty killer cleans, that can also do the early EVH brown sound... my Bogner XTC Classic did well. The Green (clean) channel was sparkly and spanky, and I used a Carl Martin Plexitone into the Blue channel (set on Plexi mode) to get the pissed-off brown sound. I wasn't very enamored of the VHT or Splawn amps in regards to clean tones.

Another amp that I've always read good things about in terms of being Fender AND Marshall in a box is the CAA OD/PT100. I haven't been able to play one, but the reviews always seem to be glowing. A couple other modded-Marshall type amps that I would be on the look-out for are the David Bray plexi-style amps and the Mojave Peacemaker.
 
I agree with red label. I'd like to add that if you are dead set on getting a Pittbull, I'd recommend the Ultra Lead. I own one, of course, so take this with a grain of salt, but the UL has more of an upper mid crunch(KT88's) that works better than the CL for the tone you're after. In my opinion

Also, if you want great clean tone from a Pittbull, get a Tech 21 Blonde(or a Joyo American Sound, if you're cheap) and throw it in front. :D
 
red_lable I'll have to check them other amps out.

Ben I would like to try out a Vht pb 1st. I may go w/ a Splawn QR.
That's what I been wantin' for a long time. But a Pittbull seems so bad ass!
 
the eq isnt a pedal its built into the preamp i dont see it being comparable to putting a 100 dollar eq pedal in your fx loop altho it does the same thing. they sound great with or without it engaged but if you dont see the point in the EQ then i would say to you dont even get a fryette pittbull get one of those other amps that are already EQd for you. if you play DEATH METAL or something youd understand that most professional metal guys that play alot of other amps are actually using different overdrives and distortion pedals as boosts to push their EQ to the extreme for an extreme cutting metal sound. with the EQ on the pittbulls you can raise or cut whatever you want really extreme without using all that and if you play metal and you know how to use it it will make alot of other amps sound muffled in comparison. as far as metal goes. with alot of other amps say like engl.... they may be very different feeling amps from this and different sounding distortions i guess but what they seem to do is they will have voicing switches on various 4 channel amp models and theyl come out with 10 different 4 channel amp models with different voicing and different switches but when you think about it all those different engls and all those channels and voicing switches are all in a sense just different shelf settings on a 6 band EQ but instead of just making 2 or 3 different versions of the same amp with a 6 band EQ that works in the preamp on top of your knob settings engl just keeps making 10 different 4 channel amps with voicing switches that change your EQ to presets so they can make and sell more amps where as the pittbulls cut the bullshit and just give you the EQ here ya go voice your own amp boost it with whatever you want here ya go heres 10 4 channel engls in a 3 channel amp.

if you want a fryette pittbull without the EQ.... get a delivrence or a sig X..... thats what they made those for
 
BAALINCINERATOR":2zttqlwc said:
the eq isnt a pedal its built into the preamp i dont see it being comparable to putting a 100 dollar eq pedal in your fx loop altho it does the same thing. they sound great with or without it engaged but if you dont see the point in the EQ then i would say to you dont even get a fryette pittbull get one of those other amps that are already EQd for you. if you play DEATH METAL or something youd understand that most professional metal guys that play alot of other amps are actually using different overdrives and distortion pedals as boosts to push their EQ to the extreme for an extreme cutting metal sound. with the EQ on the pittbulls you can raise or cut whatever you want really extreme without using all that and if you play metal and you know how to use it it will make alot of other amps sound muffled in comparison. as far as metal goes. with alot of other amps say like engl.... they may be very different feeling amps from this and different sounding distortions i guess but what they seem to do is they will have voicing switches on various 4 channel amp models and theyl come out with 10 different 4 channel amp models with different voicing and different switches but when you think about it all those different engls and all those channels and voicing switches are all in a sense just different shelf settings on a 6 band EQ but instead of just making 2 or 3 different versions of the same amp with a 6 band EQ that works in the preamp on top of your knob settings engl just keeps making 10 different 4 channel amps with voicing switches that change your EQ to presets so they can make and sell more amps where as the pittbulls cut the bullshit and just give you the EQ here ya go voice your own amp boost it with whatever you want here ya go heres 10 4 channel engls in a 3 channel amp.

if you want a fryette pittbull without the EQ.... get a delivrence or a sig X..... thats what they made those for
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Have to disagree with the Necro Bump.

All of these VHT amps sound different and have different voicings.

Also running an od in front produces a different sound than making a few cuts or bumps on the eq.

If you want a Pitbull get a Pitbull.

I have only owned a CL100 and a first run Ultralead. I think the CL is better because it is more raw and brutal sounding where as the UL is MUCH wider sounding (fills the room more) and has the longer mesa type growl slightly added in if you will.

If you are still looking, as far as pricing. I have watched them for a very long time and have seen a wide range of prices.

I have seen the 50CL's quite a bit for $750-$800 on the low end at Guitar Center and I paid $900 for my 100CL with EQ.

I have also seen them priced much higher. I watched a 100CL sell on ebay for $500 as well (it did have some issues)

IMO $900 is the price for a used 100CL with EQ. I would not pay more than $1k unless you need one NOW and can't wait. They can be had for less definitely.
 
a few cuts or bumps i dont really understand what you mean tho the ammount it can cut or bump is kinda rediculous its not a bump those sliders go up pretty far man
and those are both pittbulls
the differences would be different power tubes more gain stages and a different phase inverter
the UL would have way more gain
not that i know the guts of them but if they are both pittbulls from the CL to the Ultralead its pretty much adding preamp tubes gain stages and switching to KT88s
and i would imagine they have been modded and changed from the very first ultralead to the present day ultralead

ive never played them but from what i read the other heads were based on pittbull settings

i paid 2250 and some tax for a 2009 CLX

i wouldnt even want a CL
or the very first ultralead
 
turn your treble knob all the way up and then take your 2 treble sliders and slowly slide them all the way up
thats not a little bump at all the difference is crazy
you could turn all your knobs all the way up then add some low slider and cut some low slider scoop some mids and raise some mids raise some trebles then you could add some solid state boost or take some out add some grit or smooth it out a little change the power tubes biased to 6L6 or something and youve got the next 2 engl powerfire hexagon semiautos
 
those amps are $3800 new and its 2015 so i mean yeah if your buying one of the very first runs its probably not going to be very much and they are limited runs they only pop up used on ebay in bunches every freak blue moon and they sell anywhere from 800 to $3000 used depending on the individual theres not really a set used price for these there are a lot of contributing factors you could have a modded version of a brand new one and sell it for $5000 and it would be the correct price or you could have one thats 20 years old and sell it for 500 bucks because you have 10 diezels
 
not going by your expert opinion but in factual fact the difference between a cl of the same year and an ultralead of the same year is they would be the same amp with a different power section and one has 4 preamp tubes and one has 6 and one of those preamp tubes is a different kind
so pretty much you just said the CLX rhythm channel is more brutal than an ultralead
 
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