Volume Pots

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i've found this general consensus with humbuckers, the lower the value the warmer the tone less drive and more midrange with a rolled off high end, and as you step up 250k, 330k, 500k,1m the guitar gets brighter slightly less bass compaired to the amounts of treble.

the mids i find greatly depend on the construction and the materials used the enamel to wrap it to the magnet its based off.

also FYI: i don't use a tone pot, never use em anyway and i like the sound without the roll off
 
thank you
im switching back to 500k cause mine used to have a little more bass.
 
steve@russo":19mu81xw said:
just wired this in, big difference, much more clear sounding and defined, thanks again

Awesome...glad you like them. They really do rule.
 
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Different pot values and how they affect you!

Humbucker graph shown.

Humbuckers traditionally come with 500k volume and tone pots, with .022 caps. Single coils traditionally use 250k pots. Remember, pickups were voiced/made to run at these values, changing the value changes their intended tone, (good or bad is an opinion), as well as their output.

The top curve indicates virtually no load, the second curve down indicates a 1meg pot, the third down is a 500k pot, the fourth is a 250k pot and the bottom curve represents a 100k pot. As you can see, higher pots give you more output and raise the resonant peaks output. The resonant peak doesn't shift in frequency, but it does shift in amplitude. The resonant peak frequency of most HBs is usually around 5k to 7k. Gibson went to 300k pots in the early '80s to fatten up the tone of their guitars.

With tone controls (they react differently then volume pots because of the way they're wired in the circuit), a 250k pot is the same as turning your 500k tone pot down to it's resistive mid point (5 on a linear taper pot). Even on 10, a tone pot bleeds high end to ground, but pickups were designed in this circuit in mind, and some people think they sound cold and glassy without a tone pot in the circuit, some people can't tell a difference.

If you want to see what it's like to use different value pots, without pulling breakable knobs and changing out your pots, here's a temporary way just to see what it's like.



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This is how you can hear what going from a 250k to 500k (or even 500k to 1 Meg) volume pot sounds like. Just disconnect the pickups input wire to the pot and put a 250k (or close 240k or 270k), (or to try 1 Meg, 500k or close), resistor in series. It'll sound the same, but you CAN'T turn the volume all the way off, remember this is just a test function. You can also try doing it to your tone pot as shown. Before going to the tone pot, insert a 250k resistor to go from 250k to 500k. If you like it, go buy the pots.



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In many guitars with 250k tone pots, I've just left the resistor in permanently; you just can't turn it down as much as if you had used an actual 500k tone pot, but it helps keep some guitars brighter.



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This is how you can hear what going from a 500k pot down to a 250k volume and tone pot sounds like. Just put a 500k (or close, e.g. 510k or 470k) resistor in parallel with the pots outer lugs. You can actually even leave it this way, the only difference will be the volume and tone pots taper (i.e. 10 will be 10, 0 will be 0, but it'll be half as loud at a different place on the knob).

You use audio pots, instead of linear, because the ear isn't linear with volume, and audio pots (also known as log pots) are designed to match the way you hear. Of course distortion and compression can mess that up...

P.S. if your "or close" value is slightly higher then the pot, the value will be slightly higher on 10 then the actual double, (or halved value) in these circuits. If lower, it'll be slightly lower.


Expensive pots sound the same as cheap pots as long as they're the correct value (the actual measured value, not the stated value). And changing brands of pots does NOTHING as long as they measure the same. Pots are not capacitive and are not reactive (certainly not in the audio range)... but pots that claim to be a certain value can be 20% off, and that makes a difference, so measure them. Especially if the ones you take out are 20% low and the ones going in are 20% high, you may very well hear that. Of course quality pots last longer, make less noise when you turn them... and can feel better... but the same exact measured value will sound identical... because it is.
 
I dont understand too much above, but going from the 250 cts to the 500K bourns made a big difference in clarity and high end. Dont know if it is the bourns or the 500 k
 
It's the 500k... pots are non reactive and non capacitive... if they have the same actual measured value, they sound the same.
 
I will say this, it is very smooth feeling too, for $17 or whatever I dig it
 
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