wet/dry setup. I need advice please

[Lord Toneking]

Well, this is what I have...

Splawn Quickrod
Splawn 4x12
Splawn 2x12
Axess Electronics GRX4
EVH Phase 90
EVH Flanger
Maxon OD808
ISP G String
TC G Major

I know I need a power amp and was thinking of a Carvin or something cheap. I know I dont need nothing too powerful...Im looking to do this on a poor man's budget. I have the majority of my pieces and just need to figure how much I need to finish it off because I need to sell stuff to buy stuff

I want to use my 2x12 for the 'wet' side and the 4x12 for the 'dry' side

I've looked for some diagrams but cant find anything that helps me. I guess I would need a Direct box also that would sound good. I was thiking of some Behringer stuff but dont know if that would sound like crap with this application

any help would be appreciated. Just wanting to experience this wet/dry goodness!

 

[Zachman]

Well, this is what I have...

Splawn Quickrod
Splawn 4x12
Splawn 2x12
Axess Electronics GRX4
EVH Phase 90
EVH Flanger
Maxon OD808
ISP G String
TC G Major

I know I need a power amp and was thinking of a Carvin or something cheap. I know I dont need nothing too powerful...Im looking to do this on a poor man's budget. I have the majority of my pieces and just need to figure how much I need to finish it off because I need to sell stuff to buy stuff

I want to use my 2x12 for the 'wet' side and the 4x12 for the 'dry' side

I've looked for some diagrams but cant find anything that helps me. I guess I would need a Direct box also that would sound good. I was thiking of some Behringer stuff but dont know if that would sound like crap with this application

any help would be appreciated. Just wanting to experience this wet/dry goodness!

 

[CaseyCor]

Get a Suhr ISO box. And a SS poweramp if you want to preserve your amps original tone and stay on the cheap.

 

[Lord Toneking]

cool guys! Thanks!

Now what about the routing/signal path? Im a little slow if you know what I mean

 

[TrentBizzle]

The Electro Harmonix 22 or 44 caliber mini power amps work pretty well too.
I actually run my w/d/w setup with them for portability.
I will be upgrading soon though.

 

[chumbucket]

guitar-> pedals-> amp (and dry cab)->line out (or send if you have effects loop)-> G Major-> power amp-> wet cab
adjust the volume to taste so the dry cab dominates and the wet cab just ices the cake so to speak.

 

[Zachman]

cool guys! Thanks!

Now what about the routing/signal path? Im a little slow if you know what I mean

Aloha my friend...
The routing may not be the next step... Next you need to figure out how much control you intend to implement into your new rig.

Ex. Are you going to be using presets which control:

Combination of pedals per preset
Which preset in the G-Major is called up when you hit a preset button on your floor controller

 

[Lord Toneking]

cool guys! Thanks!

Now what about the routing/signal path? Im a little slow if you know what I mean

Aloha my friend...
The routing may not be the next step... Next you need to figure out how much control you intend to implement into your new rig.

Ex. Are you going to be using presets which control:

Combination of pedals per preset
Which preset in the G-Major is called up when you hit a preset button on your floor controller

Wassup Brotha!

Hey, like I said..Im 'slow' so I will try to explain what I got going on and see if it's what youre asking

My pedals are in my rack and are controlled by the GRX4 and assigned to patches with my crappy FCB1010. I dont have 'instant access' with this thing unless I get an Uno chip, that's one thing I hate about this foot controller.

Basically I only have 4 patches from the G Major - which also switches my 2 channels and my solo boost

patches are...
1. clean + EVH phase + G Major delay
2. clean + G major delay
3. main crunch/rhythm channel + G Major delay (slapback)
4. main crunch/rhythm channel + G Major delay (long delay)
5. solo + G Major delay
6. clean + EVH flange + G Major delay
7. crunch/rhythm + EVH Flange + G Major delay
8. crunch/rhythm + EVH Phase + G Major dealy
9. solo + OD808 + G Major delay
10. tuner mute
expression pedal 1 - volume
expression pedal 2 - FX on/off

So basically wouldnt my dry side just be my amp and pedals that are running in front that are controlled by the GRX4? Am I over thinking this?

 

[romanianreaper]

Well, this is what I have...

Splawn Quickrod
Splawn 4x12
Splawn 2x12
Axess Electronics GRX4
EVH Phase 90
EVH Flanger
Maxon OD808
ISP G String
TC G Major

I know I need a power amp and was thinking of a Carvin or something cheap. I know I dont need nothing too powerful...Im looking to do this on a poor man's budget. I have the majority of my pieces and just need to figure how much I need to finish it off because I need to sell stuff to buy stuff

I want to use my 2x12 for the 'wet' side and the 4x12 for the 'dry' side

I've looked for some diagrams but cant find anything that helps me. I guess I would need a Direct box also that would sound good. I was thiking of some Behringer stuff but dont know if that would sound like crap with this application

any help would be appreciated. Just wanting to experience this wet/dry goodness!

LOL! Zach, you crack me up man. I was just getting ready to post "a friend of mine can tell you what you need to know about wet/dry setup" and before I can even post it, I see your immediate post about it. I knew you would jump in.

 

[Lord Toneking]

Well, this is what I have...

Splawn Quickrod
Splawn 4x12
Splawn 2x12
Axess Electronics GRX4
EVH Phase 90
EVH Flanger
Maxon OD808
ISP G String
TC G Major

I know I need a power amp and was thinking of a Carvin or something cheap. I know I dont need nothing too powerful...Im looking to do this on a poor man's budget. I have the majority of my pieces and just need to figure how much I need to finish it off because I need to sell stuff to buy stuff

I want to use my 2x12 for the 'wet' side and the 4x12 for the 'dry' side

I've looked for some diagrams but cant find anything that helps me. I guess I would need a Direct box also that would sound good. I was thiking of some Behringer stuff but dont know if that would sound like crap with this application

any help would be appreciated. Just wanting to experience this wet/dry goodness!

LOL! Zach, you crack me up man. I was just getting ready to post "a friend of mine can tell you what you need to know about wet/dry setup" and before I can even post it, I see your immediate post about it. I knew you would jump in.

I wish I had just a teeny tiny bit of Zach's knowledge. He's helped me over the phone before and was kind enough to not make me feel mentally challenged

Zach knows how to use all the tools....and he HAS all the tools! Geeezmaneez I want his rack!

 

[Zachman]

cool guys! Thanks!

Now what about the routing/signal path? Im a little slow if you know what I mean

Aloha my friend...
The routing may not be the next step... Next you need to figure out how much control you intend to implement into your new rig.

Ex. Are you going to be using presets which control:

Combination of pedals per preset
Which preset in the G-Major is called up when you hit a preset button on your floor controller

Wassup Brotha!

Hey, like I said..Im 'slow' so I will try to explain what I got going on and see if it's what youre asking

My pedals are in my rack and are controlled by the GRX4 and assigned to patches with my crappy FCB1010. I dont have 'instant access' with this thing unless I get an Uno chip, that's one thing I hate about this foot controller.

Basically I only have 4 patches from the G Major - which also switches my 2 channels and my solo boost

patches are...
1. clean + EVH phase + G Major delay
2. clean + G major delay
3. main crunch/rhythm channel + G Major delay (slapback)
4. main crunch/rhythm channel + G Major delay (long delay)
5. solo + G Major delay
6. clean + EVH flange + G Major delay
7. crunch/rhythm + EVH Flange + G Major delay
8. crunch/rhythm + EVH Phase + G Major dealy
9. solo + OD808 + G Major delay
10. tuner mute
expression pedal 1 - volume
expression pedal 2 - FX on/off

So basically wouldnt my dry side just be my amp and pedals that are running in front that are controlled by the GRX4? Am I over thinking this?

Choo got it mang.... except that your pedals affecting your dry cab will also affect your wet cabs.

 

[Zachman]

Well, this is what I have...

Splawn Quickrod
Splawn 4x12
Splawn 2x12
Axess Electronics GRX4
EVH Phase 90
EVH Flanger
Maxon OD808
ISP G String
TC G Major

I know I need a power amp and was thinking of a Carvin or something cheap. I know I dont need nothing too powerful...Im looking to do this on a poor man's budget. I have the majority of my pieces and just need to figure how much I need to finish it off because I need to sell stuff to buy stuff

I want to use my 2x12 for the 'wet' side and the 4x12 for the 'dry' side

I've looked for some diagrams but cant find anything that helps me. I guess I would need a Direct box also that would sound good. I was thiking of some Behringer stuff but dont know if that would sound like crap with this application

any help would be appreciated. Just wanting to experience this wet/dry goodness!

LOL! Zach, you crack me up man. I was just getting ready to post "a friend of mine can tell you what you need to know about wet/dry setup" and before I can even post it, I see your immediate post about it. I knew you would jump in.

A L O H A bruddah Mike...


Remember this? Man we would just crank and have fun.

Carlos is too cool of a guy...

Miss you my good friend. I hope you have a Merry Christmas.

 

[Zachman]

Well, this is what I have...

Splawn Quickrod
Splawn 4x12
Splawn 2x12
Axess Electronics GRX4
EVH Phase 90
EVH Flanger
Maxon OD808
ISP G String
TC G Major

I know I need a power amp and was thinking of a Carvin or something cheap. I know I dont need nothing too powerful...Im looking to do this on a poor man's budget. I have the majority of my pieces and just need to figure how much I need to finish it off because I need to sell stuff to buy stuff

I want to use my 2x12 for the 'wet' side and the 4x12 for the 'dry' side

I've looked for some diagrams but cant find anything that helps me. I guess I would need a Direct box also that would sound good. I was thiking of some Behringer stuff but dont know if that would sound like crap with this application

any help would be appreciated. Just wanting to experience this wet/dry goodness!

LOL! Zach, you crack me up man. I was just getting ready to post "a friend of mine can tell you what you need to know about wet/dry setup" and before I can even post it, I see your immediate post about it. I knew you would jump in.

I wish I had just a teeny tiny bit of Zach's knowledge. He's helped me over the phone before and was kind enough to not make me feel mentally challenged

Zach knows how to use all the tools....and he HAS all the tools! Geeezmaneez I want his rack!

That was fun man. Anytime... You know how to get in touch... I've been lucky to have some very cool friends here on Rig Talk.

 

[hunter]

Basically what you do is run your amp like you used to, ie. the pedals that were up front before, stay up front. For example the phaser in front of the amp will then affect the dry and the wet equally, which is fine I suppose. The difference is then only in the delay/reverb/pitch or whatever FX you use post preamp/after distortion.

You could just use the Effect Send to feed the wet side, however you would lose the tonal impact of your QuickRod power amp section. So when using a SS amp for wet, you want to tap the speaker signal. For this you need the Suhr ISO box or similar (there are cheaper alternatives, too). This line signal will then feed all your post preamp effects (delay, reverb, pitch, ...) which are all set to killdry (100% effect) and from there to the second poweramp and cab. This is for a setup with 100% wet in one cab and 100% dry in the other.

Some people (including me) prefer to run the wet side with some dry signal. As all digital processors introduce A/D-D/A conversion and processing delay, you get phasing if you just run your effects for example in 70% effect/30% dry. So what you need to do in this case is get another unit to mix the wet signal ANALOG, to avoid that processing delay ad resulting phasing. Suhr has a mini mixer for this purpose, but any mixer will do. This unit lets you take the dry signal from the ISO box and send it to the effects, which are again in killdry mode, and mix the wet signal with the dry for your second power amp.

Hope this helps.

 

[johnpace2]

I don't understand this concept, but it seems it's guys that use lots of effects that normally do this. If I have 2 amps and run them just straight in or with a boost, would it even make any sense to contemplate something like this? I've heard it makes your tone just sound huge.

 

[Zachman]

I don't understand this concept, but it seems it's guys that use lots of effects that normally do this.

Replace the description "Lots of" with "Stereo".

OR

Think of it like running 2 rigs simultaneously in series//parallel-- one (Rig A) straight amp signal all the time, and the rack processing through the "other" rig (Rig B)-- so as to not muck up your original tone.

If I have 2 amps and run them just straight in or with a boost, would it even make any sense to contemplate something like this?

It's not the same as running A or B, or even A+B. If you "Slave" your amps, and use no effects-- it's different still.

I've heard it makes your tone just sound huge.

That it does

 

[Lord Toneking]

Hey Zach, would this work for a guy with very limited funds?

GI100.aspx">http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/GI100.aspx</a>

That and a ss power amp and am I good to go? Will I need to set my G Major to KILLDRY or just leave it as is?

 

[Zachman]

Hey Zach, would this work for a guy with very limited funds?

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/GI100.aspx

"Yes, BUT"... is the answer.

The 1st thing that popped into my head is-- Behringer doesn't have the best reputation for "well-built" stuff. The other thing is-- there is no way to adjust the line out level-- this will probably be something you'll end up wishing you had. Also, it's active-- unlike the Suhr.

That and a ss power amp and am I good to go? Will I need to set my G Major to KILLDRY or just leave it as is?

Re: kill Dry-- typically you would set kill dry, BUT you may want to be able to adjust for more subtlety. IF you have no phase issues with the effects vs the dry amp, leave it and just adjust your mix levels to taste. Don't forget to set the G-Major to Consumer mode, vs it's default setting of Pro mode-- or your input signal balance w/ the G-Major will drive you nuts (Not enough signal, even w/ the input knob all the way up).