Wet/Dry setup

[The Hoff]

I was having a conversation with Jski59 who was a great help-thanks again! I just wanted to go over a wet/dry rig I'm thinking about putting together and was hoping for some input/clarifications.

This is what I was planning:
Guitar > Pedals > Amp
First Speaker Out > 2x12 (dry)
Second Speaker Out > Suhr Line Out Box
Line Out Box > Wet Effects > Last Pedal Out > 44 Mag > 2x12 Cab (wet)

My concerns needing some clarification:
1) One 2x12 is 16 ohms (dry) and the other is 8 ohms (wet)-is that an issue
2) My wet pedals: trem, chorus, delay, reverb-will I need a mixer
3) Any thing else...?

Thanks in advance. I realize there has been a lot of threads regarding the setup of a wet/dry rig. Hopefully my one more won't bother too much.

 

[mrkmas]

I am not 100% sure on this, but I always thought the suhr line out box needs a cab hooked up through the "speaker thru" since the line out will not act as a speaker load. I would run the Suhr line out box on the first speaker out since that way you can run the "speaker thru" to the dry cab to make sure all goes well. Never ran a W/D setup before so I cannt cannot say anything from experience, just wanted to share a concern I have to keep your amp happy

Amp Speaker output 1> Suhr line out box feed thru> 2 x 12 cabinet (dry)
Suhr Line out box's line out jack > wet effects... etc etc is how I would do it.

I dont think the cabinet ohm mismatch matters since they will be hooked upto different power amps.

 

[MrDan666]

The difference in cab impedance should not be a problem at all.. I have done this many times with great results.

Depending on if you want your effects all hooked up in series or parallel, you may or may not need a mixer. For example, in series you are going to have a very wet effected signal since each effect will effect the next.
If you want your modulation pedals in series but hook up the Delay and Reverb in parallel, for a clearer signal, then you would need a mixer.

It would be easier to go with a multi effects pedal or rack, instead of using all individual pedals. That way you would have a much easier job setting it all up and it would be more versatile IMO.

 

[MrDan666]

I am not 100% sure on this, but I always thought the suhr line out box needs a cab hooked up it thru the speaker thru since the line out will not act as a speaker load. I would run the Suhr line out box on the First speaker out to make sure all goes well.

Amp Speaker output 1> Suhr line out box feed thru> 2 x 12 cabinet (dry)
Suhr Line out box's line out jack > wet effects... etc etc is how I would do it.

As long as your amp has one of it's output jacks hooked up to a speaker load, you don't have to worry about using both speaker thru jacks. But the method you posted will work fine too.

 

[mrkmas]

I am not 100% sure on this, but I always thought the suhr line out box needs a cab hooked up it thru the speaker thru since the line out will not act as a speaker load. I would run the Suhr line out box on the First speaker out to make sure all goes well.

Amp Speaker output 1> Suhr line out box feed thru> 2 x 12 cabinet (dry)
Suhr Line out box's line out jack > wet effects... etc etc is how I would do it.

As long as your amp has one of it's output jacks hooked up to a speaker load, you don't have to worry about using both speaker thru jacks. But the method you posted will work fine too.

That wouldn't cause a impedance mismatch because the amp wont have a load on the second speaker out? Not trying to start a fight or anything, you just got my curious now. I am new to the w/d stuff

edit: nevermind, I get it now.

 

[reverymike]

You're not going to want to run your Trem in only the wet cabs. That should be effecting all of the cabinets.

 

[MrDan666]

That wouldn't cause a impedance mismatch because the amp wont have a load on the second speaker out? Not trying to start a fight or anything, you just got my curious now. I am new to the w/d stuff

edit: nevermind, I get it now.

Cool man, yeah there are several ways to do this so either way is fine Your amp's speaker outputs are wired in parallel. So if you have a load connected to one speaker output, you don't need to worry about hooking another load to the other speaker output.

 

[mrkmas]

That wouldn't cause a impedance mismatch because the amp wont have a load on the second speaker out? Not trying to start a fight or anything, you just got my curious now. I am new to the w/d stuff

edit: nevermind, I get it now.

Cool man, yeah there are several ways to do this so either way is fine Your amp's speaker outputs are wired in parallel. So if you have a load connected to one speaker output, you don't need to worry about hooking another load to the other speaker output.

Gotcha man. I was thinking of it another way (incorrectly)

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

actually here's another question.. if you've got a 200+ watt poweramp for the wet signal coming from the line out/effects, is there no issue with matching wattage between amp and speaker cab? I mean say a 200 watt power amp feeding a 65 watt speaker...issues??

 

[Zachman]

actually here's another question.. if you've got a 200+ watt poweramp for the wet signal coming from the line out/effects, is there no issue with matching wattage between amp and speaker cab? I mean say a 200 watt power amp feeding a 65 watt speaker...issues??

The only issue is having to be careful not to play too loud and risk doing damage to your speaker.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Is there a way to measure that or do you dial it in to taste based on the 50 watt amp driving the other cab??

 

[Zachman]

Is there a way to measure that or do you dial it in to taste based on the 50 watt amp driving the other cab??

I try to think of it like this:

1st you set the level of your Dry amp, to the level you want. THEN, adjust the wet side to taste/blend w/ the Dry level.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Thanks. That's what I figured but you really have to be a stickler with you dry side and not over crank it.. that 44 magnum seems interesting once again. (no that matching levels is a big deal)

 

[racerevlon]

44 Magnum is one of the most versatile, handy little boxes to come out in a long time. EH is definitely on to something with the .22 Caliber and the .44 Magnum. I had mine wired up on stand by during the gig last week as a back-up. Switch 2 cables and you're back in business.

 

[Zachman]

Thanks. That's what I figured but you really have to be a stickler with you dry side and not over crank it.. that 44 magnum seems interesting once again. (no that matching levels is a big deal)

The hard part is-- there really isn't any rule, per se', though there are factors to consider. If you need more volume from your Dry amp and your speaker solution isn't going to cut it, because you're worried about blowing the speaker, then-- make sure you use a speaker solution that can handle the power you need. I mean, to some-- cranking an amp is so they can get tube clipping. To others, they just want it clean and louder. If you require cranking a 100+ watt amp to get your tone, I HIGHLY recommend you start researching the tools available to allow you to do that, while not being Black Balled by the venues you play-- because you're playing too fucking loud.

 

[The Hoff]

Thanks for all the help guys. I haven't purchased the .44 magnum or Suhr line out yet wanted to make sure my plan would work. Sounds like I am good to go. Really appreciate all the input!