What are the differences in the different Uber revisions?

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I think there are 3; original, rev blue, rev 2.

What's the order/lineage?

What's the sonic differences?

Which do you prefer and why?
 
Don't forget the Twin Jet Uber. Upgrades it received were a presence and depth control as part of the master control for the power amp. Another big upgrade is the KT88 power section. Makes for the cleanest, and tightest Uberschall to date. Some people think the TJ sounds better with EL34's, I strongly disagree.
 
Original- stupid amount of gain that was on or off, poopy clean channel(HUGE sound though)
rev2- same stupid amount of gain/sound but better taper on the gain pot
rev blue- brighter less gain from what I understand. Not overly sure on gain amount(just what i've heard) but is brighter than the other two revisions which I have played
Twin jet- depth/ much tighter as said and better "clean/other gain" channel from what I can gather(have played only a little but I'd say it was my fav overall with rev1/2 coming in behind, personally think the blue is a mistake...not a fan personally)
 
Ask and you shall receive. :2thumbsup:

Copied and pasted from my many times of having to type it way too many times:

Uberschall differences

For me, the Rev2 is just right. I think great tube amps (high gain or not) should "breathe" and have a "organic" quality to them. This alone is one reason why I'll never sell my early Dual Recto. When using the tube rectifiers on spongy that amp has that quality in spades. Now keep in mind tone and feel are in the eye/ears/hands of the beholder and very subjective. :thumbsup:

This is the basic rundown of the Uberschalls:

Original - Fast gain taper on Gain Channel (some have said almost like an Off/On kind of jump in gain), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, plastic carry handle (although some Original Uberschalls got the leather handle just prior to transitioning into the Rev2), EL34

Rev2 - Reduced gain taper on Gain Channel (same gain, just more controllable), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, leather carry handle, EL34

Revision Blue - Same basic gain structure, lower plate voltage, less power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume matched closer to Gain Channel, re-design of circuits, addition of Loop volume control, bias test points, power jewel changed to smaller LED type, dedicated design ability to allow power section slaving from an outside source (but this can be accomplished on Original/Rev2 versions), EL34

Twin Jet 1.0 - Gain Channel re-design in a direction towards the Original/Rev2 designs, plate voltage around 530v, less power section compression (due to the design switch to KT88 power tubes), Clean channel re-do in the direction of a high gain modded Marshall tone with very little ability to get a truly clean sound, addition of power section Presence and Depth controls, KT88

Twin Jet 1.1 - The same as 1.0 but with a modded gain taper on the clean channel, same level of gain available as 1.0 with the ability to go lower gain and clean up better
Twin Jet Purple mod – Clean channel becomes more “Marshall” like and the addition of the purple power LED.

Now keep in mind, I made up TJ 1.0/1.1 for the purpose of comparison , I don't think Bogner looks at them that way. Bogner does offer to perform the Clean Channel mod for anybody who owns what I call 1.0 at no charge.


These are the main differences I know about. I don't know specific component values between the different versions from a design stand point, but I can say my descriptions above, for the most part, are right on the money by way of research, comparisons and the general consensus from those who have had time with them. The volume difference between the Clean Channel and Gain Channel on the Original and Rev2 seem to be exaggerated. Yes there is a difference, but nothing that can't be fixed by just turning the Clean Channel Volume control up a little more than the Gain Channel volume control. Another words, adjust the amp with your ears, not your eyes.
 
Death by Uberschall":2246hy41 said:
James Lugo":2246hy41 said:

^^* = 225 serial number, which is exactly 30 amps before my Rev2 of 255. So I'd say your are probably safe is assuming it's a Rev2. But you can always contact Bogner, their customer service is first class.

That amp does look pretty clean. And the price is right.

Yeah I saw it has a leather handle and it said the Rev 2's have a leather handle.
 
James Lugo":qhg1goe2 said:
Death by Uberschall":qhg1goe2 said:
James Lugo":qhg1goe2 said:

^^* = 225 serial number, which is exactly 30 amps before my Rev2 of 255. So I'd say your are probably safe is assuming it's a Rev2. But you can always contact Bogner, their customer service is first class.

That amp does look pretty clean. And the price is right.

Yeah I saw it has a leather handle and it said the Rev 2's have a leather handle.

There was some cross over of parts though, rumor (I did say rumor) has it some of the original Ubers got the leather handle ahead of the revision.

There's a really good discussion related to this if you click The Amp GOD Chronicles (EBAY idiots!!) in my siganture. :lol: :LOL:
 
Did you get it :confused: as it sold on feeBay.

Also it said it Rev 1 in the description or was that incorrect?
 
verderacer":3iohf726 said:
Did you get it :confused: as it sold on feeBay.

Also it said it Rev 1 in the description or was that incorrect?

It was serial sign 335 and is a rev.2 and I bought it! :rock:
 
tonedog":127wcdll said:
verderacer":127wcdll said:
Did you get it :confused: as it sold on feeBay.

Also it said it Rev 1 in the description or was that incorrect?

It was serial sign 335 and is a rev.2 and I bought it! :rock:

Congrats dude ! :rock:
 
tonedog":1l6wz8w7 said:
verderacer":1l6wz8w7 said:
Did you get it :confused: as it sold on feeBay.

Also it said it Rev 1 in the description or was that incorrect?

It was serial sign 335 and is a rev.2 and I bought it! :rock:

FuKK I was told it was s/n 225 and Bogner told me it was a first run so I passed.
 
For future reference:

"/" (forward slash) Number 1
"^" (triangle w/no bottom) Number 2
triangle Number 3
"+" (plus sign) Number 4
"*" (asterisk) Number 5
solid dot/circle Number 6
square Number 7
"V" (capital v) Number 8
Lightning bolt Number 9
"-" (hypen/underscore) stands for 0
"P" stands for Prototype
 
my rev blue has leather handle and green jewel light. like death by uberschall said you cannot really tell by looks alone because of the crossover of parts.
 
James Lugo":i1marlng said:
tonedog":i1marlng said:
verderacer":i1marlng said:
Did you get it :confused: as it sold on feeBay.

Also it said it Rev 1 in the description or was that incorrect?

It was serial sign 335 and is a rev.2 and I bought it! :rock:

FuKK I was told it was s/n 225 and Bogner told me it was a first run so I passed.
Hey James, my appologies on the serial number screw up! I thought the triangle was the 2 designation. :aww:
 
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