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foxguitar
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I have a JVM and I like it , but this eVH is intriguing me and giving me gas , is it better than the JVM , any input
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chobley
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Don't know if this matters but someone told me the jvm will do old vh and the 5153 will do newer vh tones . I own a jvm and love it . I really would like to try the 5153 though .
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simbasa
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I had a JVM and demo'ed the 5153 a couple of times. I like the JVM voicing more than the 5153 but I will pass on both. You need to try one for yourself and decide which you like more for your playing.
You should wait until the VHT Sig X comes out in September and demo that one as well. IMO, that's the amp that will live up to the hype on function alone, and it's going to be around the same price as the 5153, but with much more options available to tweak your tone.
You should wait until the VHT Sig X comes out in September and demo that one as well. IMO, that's the amp that will live up to the hype on function alone, and it's going to be around the same price as the 5153, but with much more options available to tweak your tone.
SQUAREHEAD
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simbasa":35c70 said:
I can't wait to try one of these VHT SIG-X amps...
There's one coming in at a store near me.
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Copperhead
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Not trying to be a smart aleck or anything.....but THREE posts and the JVM and 5150 III are already out of the discussion?
I demo'ed the JVM and though it wasn't bad, "not my cup of tea". I have not tried the 5150 III, have some friends who did and were underwhelmed......I want to try it and I want to like it, I played my 5150 for 12-13 years for cryin' out loud, and Fender is a local company, I know some good people over there.
But the direction this thread is going.......I don't know what to expect.
I demo'ed the JVM and though it wasn't bad, "not my cup of tea". I have not tried the 5150 III, have some friends who did and were underwhelmed......I want to try it and I want to like it, I played my 5150 for 12-13 years for cryin' out loud, and Fender is a local company, I know some good people over there.
But the direction this thread is going.......I don't know what to expect.
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simbasa
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What's wrong with giving the OP some more options? Maybe he has not heard of the Sig X. What's so threatening about opening someone's mind to the possibility of there being more than those two amps to choose from. Clearly, he's looking at the 2 newest amps on the market, so it's logical to add the VHT, which is in the same price range as the JVM and 5153.Copperhead":edfcb said:
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foxguitar
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simbasa":2b24c said:
I agree I never heard of the Sig X , Im always open to learning about new gear .
So its very cool , it dont have to be limited .
Les Zombie
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My opinion won't matter since I'm not the guy who's buying the amp .
But I own a 5153 and I owned the jvm 2xs and got rid of it both times. Both amps are nice but I like the evh better. Ch2 can get the old vh tones.
But I own a 5153 and I owned the jvm 2xs and got rid of it both times. Both amps are nice but I like the evh better. Ch2 can get the old vh tones.
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Copperhead
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simbasa":2394a said:
Don't get me wrong - I'm not at all bashing the posters for offering other ideas, my point is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of zeal for either the JVM or the 5150 III.
I had expected to see replies like "The JVM is awesome!!" or the "5150 III totally rocks!!"
The lack of excitement for the two amps that foxguitar is asking about, coupled with alternate suggestions within three replies of the original inquiry suggests something about the JVM and the 5150 III to me.
Heck, my advice is buy a KRANK Revolution. I've had mine for 8 months now and I still totally love it.
Sorry, simbasa, I did not correctly express myself in my original post.
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foxguitar
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Copperhead":46a54 said:
is the Krank Revolution better than the Krankenstein ?
Gainfreak
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I like both amps for different reasons. To me the JVM is Marshalls swiss army knife amp and can do many things well. If you are thinking about a gigging amp that can get a lot of tones then I say the JVM is pretty hard to beat.
The 5153 is more open sounding then the JVM and has less features . It is a great 3 channel head and channel 2 has such a great crunch sound. For lack of better words, its right sounding and feeling lol
The clean is drastically improved from any of the 5150 models. Its actually very nice sounding.
I like the crunch much better on the 5153 then any on the JVM and I would probably stay on that channel for the majority unless I had to heat up the lead a bit.
The biggest advice that anyone can give is to try one for yourself. I can tell you why I like a certain amp but ultimately, you are the one who has to make the decision!!
all the best!
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The 5153 is more open sounding then the JVM and has less features . It is a great 3 channel head and channel 2 has such a great crunch sound. For lack of better words, its right sounding and feeling lol
The clean is drastically improved from any of the 5150 models. Its actually very nice sounding.I like the crunch much better on the 5153 then any on the JVM and I would probably stay on that channel for the majority unless I had to heat up the lead a bit.
The biggest advice that anyone can give is to try one for yourself. I can tell you why I like a certain amp but ultimately, you are the one who has to make the decision!!
all the best!
~R~
kannibul
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So the amp is made at Fender?
hmm...interesting
hmm...interesting
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Copperhead
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foxguitar":8ed86 said:
Depends on what you're after.
1) They are voiced different, the Krankenstein being a bit harsher on the lead channel, more like a solid state sound. This was Darrell Abbott's "signature model."
2) On the clean channel, the 'stein has a definite edge, or grit, or grunge, or whatever you want to call it. The Rev is totally clean, sparkly but warm. I had a mod done on my Revolution where I can have either clean sound or a halfway in between tone.
3) The Krankenstein has an extra volume control, the Global Master, you can overdrive the channels into the Global, most people I know who play the 'stein do not do this however.
4) The biggest difference is the effects loop boost. If you like a lot of rack stuff, with the Revolution you are going to have to have something in your gear that can amplify the processed signal as the loop is totally unpowered. If you do not, you will have a "ceiling" on the volume at concert levels. The Krankenstein has amplification available in the loop to give the power amp section a decent signal to work with.
4a) With the Revolution, you will need a tube screamer type of pedal to get gain in the squeally feedback-y range of sound like a 5150. I use a Krankshaft, kicking the front of the amp with just a little boost works quite nicely.
The cool thing with the Krankenstein is that you can switch on the effects boost without anything in the loop! This amplifies the preamp signal into oblivion if you so desire, and at full boost gives you completely ridiculous gain.
The bad part is that the effects boost is not on the footswitch, IMO it ought to be so you can go back to clean. Perhaps this is a mod that could be done, I have not inquired.
I feel the Revolution's clarity, the ability to hear each string disitinctly, is unique. I think the extra circuitry in the 'stein takes away from that a little.
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simbasa
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No worries, mate.Copperhead":d17b9 said:
Sorry if I mistook your meaning....Been used to the HC crowd lately and not well mannered folks.
TX6Strings
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Hey Gang....well I just played the JVM up at GC for about 30 mins and tried a variety of guitars on it. Everything from a Studio LP to PRS and a Schleckter (sp?) with EMG's. Now unless I missed something about this amp I really don't think it lives up to the hype. It can't do anything my JSX can't and personally I think the JSX sound better. I haven't gotten to try the 5153 so I can't really speak to that part of the discussion. Just my 2 cents for what they're worth
JamesPeters
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Copperhead":9e6e4 said:
This is most likely a misconception.
Amps with an overall master volume control are usually set up as such:
preamps->preamp masters->overall master->PI->output
There are no further gain stages between the channel masters and the overall master, so there's nothing to "overdrive". The difference in sound you hear with one master turned up and the other turned down is the effect of additional series resistance (from having two pots in series), a change in the impedance to the signal at that point, plus possibly a bit of frequency roll-off depending on the exact arrangement of the circuit at that point. Some like this, and some don't.
This sort of arrangement exists on more amps than I can shake a stick at, and at one point or another there has always been someone claiming how they prefer to "add more overdrive" to the sound by turning one master up and the other down. Or that it somehow "drives the output tubes harder at low volumes" and such. The deal is that it's just about having two pots in series acting as the "combined master" at that point in the circuit, and whether people like it or not. It's possible your amp is different, but it's unlikely.
Just to clear the air on this.
mysticaxe
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JamesPeters":fac41 said:Copperhead":fac41 said:
This is most likely a misconception.
Amps with an overall master volume control are usually set up as such:
preamps->preamp masters->overall master->PI->output
There are no further gain stages between the channel masters and the overall master, so there's nothing to "overdrive". The difference in sound you hear with one master turned up and the other turned down is the effect of additional series resistance (from having two pots in series), a change in the impedance to the signal at that point, plus possibly a bit of frequency roll-off depending on the exact arrangement of the circuit at that point. Some like this, and some don't.
This sort of arrangement exists on more amps than I can shake a stick at, and at one point or another there has always been someone claiming how they prefer to "add more overdrive" to the sound by turning one master up and the other down. Or that it somehow "drives the output tubes harder at low volumes" and such. The deal is that it's just about having two pots in series acting as the "combined master" at that point in the circuit, and whether people like it or not. It's possible your amp is different, but it's unlikely.
Just to clear the air on this.
When I had a TSL60, the channel/global master was essential to using the amp. There was also a significant difference in the sound (at the same overall volume level) whether you ran the channels hot and the global low vs. low channels and high global. With the channel volume high, you lost headroom on the clean channel, but the crunch and lead channels were much sweeter and closer to the JCM800 type of sound (still not there, but closer).
Now James has forgotten more about amp design and building then I will ever know, but I do know this as a fact in the case of the TSL 60. Don't know why, just know results...
JamesPeters
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mysticaxe":32771 said:When I had a TSL60, the channel/global master was essential to using the amp. There was also a significant difference in the sound (at the same overall volume level) whether you ran the channels hot and the global low vs. low channels and high global. With the channel volume high, you lost headroom on the clean channel, but the crunch and lead channels were much sweeter and closer to the JCM800 type of sound (still not there, but closer).
Now James has forgotten more about amp design and building then I will ever know, but I do know this as a fact in the case of the TSL 60. Don't know why, just know results...
Some amps do have tube stages between the channel masters and overall master, so the TSL may be one of those. I haven't looked at schematics for it so I can't tell, and the last time I used one was ages ago so I can't go by memory.
For what it's worth, maybe the Krankenstein has stages between the channel masters and the overall master. I forgot about the effects loop; for some reason I was thinking the amp didn't have one. So it's quite possible some people like to drive the Krankenstein's loop stages more than others (whether they realize that's what it is or not). Copperhead, I apologize for correcting you when I didn't even take the specific amp into account.
I suppose the most important thing to point out about having an overall master volume (on an amp with channel masters as well) is that it's not "overdriving the output" any more by using one master higher than the other; it would be overdriving whatever stages happen to be between those masters, if they exist. If there are no stages between the channel masters and overall master, then the only difference is the effect both masters have upon the signal (different series resistance etc.)
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Lance-a-not
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Well I prefer the 5150III, by far... But just cause it seems to fit me so well.
I thought the JVM was a great amp, just not as open and lively to me.
They each have thier own thang going on.
Just play them both, and everything else ya can get your hands on... Your ears will know.
I thought the JVM was a great amp, just not as open and lively to me.
They each have thier own thang going on.
Just play them both, and everything else ya can get your hands on... Your ears will know.
timbo
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I can't speak for the 5150 III but as for the JVM it's awesome. I've had mine now for several months and love it. Being in a rock cover band, having the tonal versatility of the JVM is king! There aren't alot of tones that I can't just about nail with that thing. Couple the JVM with my G Major it's a one pedal stomp for changing channels, channel modes and effects patches via midi.