Which do you like better the JVM or EVH 5150 III

[Copperhead]

I suppose the most important thing to point out about having an overall master volume (on an amp with channel masters as well) is that it's not "overdriving the output" any more by using one master higher than the other; it would be overdriving whatever stages happen to be between those masters, if they exist. If there are no stages between the channel masters and overall master, then the only difference is the effect both masters have upon the signal (different series resistance etc.)

"Dime knew what he wanted in an amp and he knew what he wanted out of an amp. The Krankenstein is that amp. Based on the flawless circuitry of the 100 watt Krank Revolution amp head, the Krankenstein features a Dime modified Kleen channel that’s warm and buttery with the hint of breakup that Dime required to get his classic clean tones. To the already gain soaked overdrive channel Dime added an overall Master Volume control (so you can trainwreck the channel master volumes into the overall Master volume), and a level control on the effects loop. This 2-channel, all-tube, high-gain monster is loaded with premium Sovtek 5881 power tubes and premium Electro Harmonix 12AX7 preamp tubes. Dime also matched the Krankenstein head to the Krankenstein 4 X 12 solid wood touring cabinet with blacked out steel grill and Eminence Texas Heat drivers."

I don't own a Krankenstein and have not fooled with one more than a few minutes. I do talk with people who use the Krankenstein, and a couple guys who use both the Rev and the 'stein. I am not sure what is happening circuit-wise when you turn up the channel volume into the global master, but it does change the sound. So you could be entirely correct, I just don't understand enough about the channel volumes' function in relation to the global master, please forgive my lack of knowledge in this area.

You are correct as well; the effects loop boost can be engaged with or without anything in the loop and this does indeed add very much overdrive when the pot is turned up. This is a feature found also on the RevJR. It's almost like having a tube screamer built into the amp, except the boost occurs post preamp. So I guess it would be like running a boost pedal in the loop? Anyway, it works very well at adding lots of gain. I would like them to put the effects loop boost on/off on the footswitch, because if you go back to the clean channel, the gain of course is still present.
I don't want to get in hot water for "spilling the beans", but they do have new amps in development and they are refining this feature.

No offense taken. I like this forum because I can learn a lot about amps that I would normally not be able to have access to, and I am more than happy to add whatever knowledge I may have about my own, because I know there is a lot of misinformation floating about in regards to KRANK products.

edit: poor grammar!

 

[Copperhead]

No worries, mate.
Sorry if I mistook your meaning....Been used to the HC crowd lately and not well mannered folks.

It's all good.

 

[jabps]

I've owned and played the JVM for awhile now...lots of gigs with it. So far I still love the amp. I mainly stay on one channel but I've also used the amp for sessions and the range of tones is almost endless. I grew up on Marshalls and it feels good to be back with them. In fact I've even manage to enjoy the amp with the speakers and cab I dislike the most in a 1960A with 75's...go figure. Btw/ the amp sounds absolutely amazing through my Splawn 4x12 with GH30's but that cab is strictly for recording.

The EVHIII...played one for quite awhile several weeks back at GC. Frankly I thought it was a great amp. Finally a good clean channel on a 5150. But I said this at the time in another post and stand by it...the high gain channel...just not that much different to my ears than the original 5150. Maybe a little more open, little less compressed, little more headroom but that much different? IMO not enough to justify buying the amp if your digging your 5150's. Now what did impress me was the cabs...really solid sounding, nice thump and nice grind to it. Hooked up the 5150III to a Deliverance cab and it just didn't sound as good as it did with the matching cab. So IMO again, if you get this head get the cab. However the cab is different running a Deliverance 120 and an Bogner through it, it just sounded great. Very impressed with the cab.

All in all, I'm almost completely gasless...with my JVM and my JSX , 3 different 4x12's I think I've got everything covered. Frankly the only 2 amps I'm interested in hearing is the Cameron and the VHT SigX. It feels good to be amp satisfied. I was that way for 10 years with my 5150's...kinda back there now.

In a nutshell both the 5150III and the JVM are fine amps.

 

[Gainzilla]

I have a strange feeling that Im going to end up with a JVM one of these days...

Kage

 

[tweed]

I have a strange feeling that Im going to end up with a JVM one of these days...

Kage

You aren't the only one...

 

[JamesPeters]

I don't own a Krankenstein and have not fooled with one more than a few minutes. I do talk with people who use the Krankenstein, and a couple guys who use both the Rev and the 'stein. I am not sure what is happening circuit-wise when you turn up the channel volume into the global master, but it does change the sound. So you could be entirely correct, I just don't understand enough about the channel volumes' function in relation to the global master, please forgive my lack of knowledge in this area.

Well it wouldn't be overdriving the output tubes any more by having a second master (overall master) in series with the first (channel master). The only exception would be if the amp had a built-in output attenuator as the overall master. Another "somewhat exception" would be if the amp had a post-PI master as the overall master, because the PI stage sometimes is seen as part of the output circuitry (depending on your point of view).

Almost everyone who talks about amps with an overall master (and channel masters) tends to describe how they can "overdrive the output more at low volumes" by using one master higher than the other, and if they're referring to the output tubes (they usually are), that makes no sense. If there are stages between those masters getting overdriven, sure there's more overdrive being added with one master set higher than the other. It's just not "overdriving the output", but more like "adding a boost in the loop" as you said.

 

[thegame]

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You should wait until the VHT Sig X comes out in September and demo that one as well. IMO, that's the amp that will live up to the hype on function alone,

Thats totally ass-backwards thinking to me. Functionality over sound ???