Which Shiva is right for me?

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Gsxrbusa's 20th Anni Shiva clip has increased my GAS for a Shiva. But I'm not sure which version I want. I'm not that educated on them but my understanding is they were first silver chassis, then green, then 20th? Is that right? Based on my limited research, it seems I should look for either a silver non-reverb or a 20th. I like the more aggressive, more modern tones from the 20th but I'm kind of an old Marshall thru 80s modded Marshall guy. Does the 20th still do that as well as a silver chassis? I don't mind using a boost, I'm pretty used to that. Anyway, any info/help appreciated. I've never played a Shiva. There is a green with reverb local on CL.
 
Imho for more classic rock, the EL34s in the power section are important to have. In general I'd say all can do classic rock, but only the 20th modern metal (without pedal support). The newer you get, the more modern the overall tone gets. All i played are great, but have their own thing going. Not your usual Marshall clone. So if you like what it does you probably love it. But if you are out for a close M copy, it might not be your thing. (I love Shivas!)
 
the loop situation on the silver and early greens blows as well
 
scottosan":37ptg6f9 said:
the loop situation on the silver and early greens blows as well
I thought I had read that as long you use the magic cable they work fine. Or is that just a band-aid that makes it useable...but still crap?
 
I have a silver chassis Shiva and made a special loop cable for it. It sounds fine to me :dunno:
 
SpiderWars":1z4rrl59 said:
Gsxrbusa's 20th Anni Shiva clip has increased my GAS for a Shiva. But I'm not sure which version I want. I'm not that educated on them but my understanding is they were first silver chassis, then green, then 20th? Is that right? Based on my limited research, it seems I should look for either a silver non-reverb or a 20th. I like the more aggressive, more modern tones from the 20th but I'm kind of an old Marshall thru 80s modded Marshall guy. Does the 20th still do that as well as a silver chassis? I don't mind using a boost, I'm pretty used to that. Anyway, any info/help appreciated. I've never played a Shiva. There is a green with reverb local on CL.


Sorry for the unneeded GAS bro. :aww: :bash: :lol: :LOL:

I really wish I could play classic rock worth a dang, otherwise I would show you how well it gains down. Maybe I'll try anyway. Or have a buddy play it and I'll record. My vote would be go for the 20th. This amp puts a smile on my face every time I plug into it! (iv'e probably said that too many times already :D ). Wish I could help with the rest of your questions, sorry.
 
Maybe one thing to add, the green sounds rounder than the 20th. The 20th can't be as smooth as the green and other way around.
 
Alex_S":2chbmkxu said:
Maybe one thing to add, the green sounds rounder than the 20th. The 20th can't be as smooth as the green and other way around.
That might be a good thing, there's something to the Ecstasy that seems too smooth/refined for me. Would be awesome to play them all side-by-side-by-side.

Thanks nevusofota! I'll def check that out.
 
SpiderWars":syxfhzcj said:
Alex_S":syxfhzcj said:
Maybe one thing to add, the green sounds rounder than the 20th. The 20th can't be as smooth as the green and other way around.
That might be a good thing, there's something to the Ecstasy that seems too smooth/refined for me. Would be awesome to play them all side-by-side-by-side.

Thanks nevusofota! I'll def check that out.

Sure, no better or worse here. Really a matter of taste. Btw, I converted my 20th to EL34. Best of both worlds for me...
 
First of all, the Shiva 20th is a different beast. It has a lot more gain than the stock Shiva. It's tone is wider, with more low end, more clarity, and more overall harmonic detail. Without pedals, the Shiva 20th can do high-gain but the Shiva can't. With pedals, the Shiva can do anything.

The Shiva isn't like a JCM 800. It has some more gain and can give up good tones at low volumes. It has a clean channel that can be pushed beautifully with some volume. The Shiva 20th has a clean channel with a boost, so you can get that plexi-like breakup without so much volume.

The Shiva has a distinct midrange with prominent lower mids and a kind of smoky high end. The mid shift of the Shiva works extremely well. You can get closer to a JCM800 when it's engaged because it kind of scoops some of the low mids and lets some of the high mids stand out. It also reduces the volume slightly, so even better a low volumes. Both Shivas have this feature.

I wouldn't recommend the Shiva 20th with EL34's. In my opinion, it's KT88's or nothing. The Shiva can be bought with 6L6 or EL34, but not interchangeable. I think the 6L6 Shiva is slightly better overall because of the way the 6L6 power section shapes the midrange. It's slightly less dominant in the lower mids than wiith EL34s. However, there is a certain appeal EL34s have when you're pushing the volume.

Reverb or without reverb doesn't matter to me. I personally love Bogner's reverbs. I suggest disregarding all the B.S. about the silver back panel and all that jazz. It's all bullshit in my opinion. Unless you're one of those real specific guys who knows EXACTLY what you're looking for in the circuits or something.

I wouldn't necessarily call the Shiva 20th more modern. It's not as hi-fi as say a Diezel. In fact, it's pretty classic sounding in all its plexi type tones. Either version has an incredible clean channel, but the 6L6 version of the stock Shiva might be the best cleans. It doesn't take the Shiva much overdrive to achieve high gain. It's a lot like using pedals on a Friedman Smallbox. It doesn't sound like a Smallbox. It's thicker and warmer in the high end than a Smallbox.

If 80's tones are kind of your thing, the Shiva will do if you don't have to play at whisper volume. If you need lower volume or if you need higher gain, you'll need a boost or overdrive. There is a lot of magic in the Shiva. If you want a one-stop-shop, the Shiva 20th will do any kind of music. It's as versatile as an Ecstasy.
 
Wow, thanks SR. It was the 20th with KT88s that got me interested in them and I think that's what I want. Of course it appears they're like 50% more used than an green NR.
 
Yeah, I've seen that guy do a lot of Bogner demos. Dude is pretty sick.
 


here's an old clip I had of my Shiva 20th, not ball crushing metal like Tom's video, but it's a very versatile amp for all types of music
 
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