Wizard MCII or MTL or both?

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Who has had both to compare. Are they close enough or is the MCII hard rock vs MTL straight up metal? How do both channels compare. I play mostly hard rock punk to medium gain. I play some metal style but not full on all the time. Also 50 watt vs 100 huge difference?
 
My '93 Metal isn't that high gain. It does up to an early 80's Van Halen and Accept type of gain.
Amazing amp for hard rock, classic rock and (believe it or not) blues.
My VC100 is a straight up plexi without the extra gain.
For what I've heard the MC2 goes from the VC all the way up to the Metal, so it might be a bit more versatile.
By the end of the day, they're all amazing!
 
That's kinda what I thought..MCII has it all covered. Calling Gary(glip22).....he's had both..
 
I have had the MC, MCII and the MTL. I still have the MTL and it is by no means a modern metal type amp but has plenty of gain for punk style. To me I think you can get everything from the MTL amp that the others offer and I would recommend you try and get it instead.

I also liked the MC better than the MCII. I couldn't get along with the MCII at all.
 
MTL is not the same in terms of gain level compared to the old Metal. Way more. For your style of music I would go with the MCII. The MTL without the lead boost has more gain than the MCII with it. The MTL has more clarity over an MCII with the lead scoop pulled. It does not scoop the mids per say but seems to shift the EQ. MTL will feedback easily and the gain level gets unusable. Once one figures out they don't need much gain on the amp it's good to go. MTL can cop MCII tones with lead scoop in but there are differences. Not a compressed gain either. No Wizard is .For you, get an MCII. Takes a pedal better as well if you want a little more and you will not need much from the OD to put it there.
 
My Mc2 can go into Metal territory quite nicely, and is a fantastic amp for a variety of different styles. The previous posts are correct, it isn't a compressed gain but one that if you have a good command of the fretboard, will reward you 10 fold. It doesn't hide sloppy playing like say a Friedman does, that why some may not prefer its tone. It cuts like no other amp and can still hang at smaller gigs without loosing all its character at lower volumes. Get the 100watter. I had a 50 watt MTL and a 100 watt MC2 and the 100watter makes your speakers quake, and just has a more juicy sound that you could feel in the chest.
The MTL is a great amp all its own, but I kept the MC2 and sold the MTL. My MC2 will only go up for sale when I hang up my guitar for good. One of the very best amps out there IMHO. Also, unless you find a MTL used, they are somewhat hard to find.
Here is part of an email I got back from Rick(Wizard) when I inquired about buying a MTL exactly 1 year ago.

"Hi Len,

At this time the MTL's are built in very limited runs once every couple of years ... we don't foresee availability again till 2015

The MCII seems to cover most of what the MTL does and seems to be what most folks nowadays are looking for out of an amp.

It might be an idea to consider the MCII as it will probably give you what your looking for.
 
halebox":38zsmc1l said:
Ok done. MCII 100 newest version on the way!
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Good call. You are in trouble now. I warn you. Do not make the mistake many others are making and AB other amps with the Wizard. Play one amp for a few and play the Wizard for a few. If you AB it's not a fair comparison as the Wizard will sound bigger than most or all others and give the impression it is stomping it. It's not that the other amps are not great amps. You just cannot ab and just play one amp at a time. I like Wizards with Heritage speakers 55hz cones or mix 75 and 55 but others will work. The Heritage need long break in but the the Wizard gets them there faster as a Wizard is like a variac for speaker break in. Once they are broken in :thumbsup:
 
I have a pre rola cab 2 G12H 55hz and two greenback, another 4x12 g1265's, and a vint 30 cab. I guess the creambacks are supposed to be great with wizards. Maybe a wizard cab with creambacks is next
 
halebox":l8c4idf8 said:
I have a pre rola cab 2 G12H 55hz and two greenback, another 4x12 g1265's, and a vint 30 cab. I guess the creambacks are supposed to be great with wizards. Maybe a wizard cab with creambacks is next
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I didn't love the Creambacks. You are covered. Did you order it from Scotty at VK?
 
I believe this is my Wizard that I just sold. Sad to see it go.
 
glip22":1gjccktz said:
Good call. You are in trouble now. I warn you. Do not make the mistake many others are making and AB other amps with the Wizard. Play one amp for a few and play the Wizard for a few. If you AB it's not a fair comparison as the Wizard will sound bigger than most or all others and give the impression it is stomping it. It's not that the other amps are not great amps.
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+100. My other M-style amps are gone because of the Wizard MCII I bought a couple years ago. For me, I chose both and Rick is building me a MTL.
 
glip22":14ikg3vx said:
MTL is not the same in terms of gain level compared to the old Metal. Way more. For your style of music I would go with the MCII. The MTL without the lead boost has more gain than the MCII with it. The MTL has more clarity over an MCII with the lead scoop pulled. It does not scoop the mids per say but seems to shift the EQ. MTL will feedback easily and the gain level gets unusable. Once one figures out they don't need much gain on the amp it's good to go. MTL can cop MCII tones with lead scoop in but there are differences. Not a compressed gain either. No Wizard is .For you, get an MCII. Takes a pedal better as well if you want a little more and you will not need much from the OD to put it there.
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Not to hi-jack the thread, but what style would you suggest the MTL for? I'm more of a metal player (Gojira, Mastodon, Opeth, old school Metallica & Megadeth stuff). I really dig some of the hi-gain clips of the MCII I've heard, but on paper it seems the MTL would be my best choice. However, there just aren't many good clips of the MTL floating around doing much heavy stuff. At least that I've heard anyway.
 
fearhk213":srcm657l said:
glip22":srcm657l said:
MTL is not the same in terms of gain level compared to the old Metal. Way more. For your style of music I would go with the MCII. The MTL without the lead boost has more gain than the MCII with it. The MTL has more clarity over an MCII with the lead scoop pulled. It does not scoop the mids per say but seems to shift the EQ. MTL will feedback easily and the gain level gets unusable. Once one figures out they don't need much gain on the amp it's good to go. MTL can cop MCII tones with lead scoop in but there are differences. Not a compressed gain either. No Wizard is .For you, get an MCII. Takes a pedal better as well if you want a little more and you will not need much from the OD to put it there.
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Not to hi-jack the thread, but what style would you suggest the MTL for? I'm more of a metal player (Gojira, Mastodon, Opeth, old school Metallica & Megadeth stuff). I really dig some of the hi-gain clips of the MCII I've heard, but on paper it seems the MTL would be my best choice. However, there just aren't many good clips of the MTL floating around doing much heavy stuff. At least that I've heard anyway.
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MTL then. If you enjoy higher gain without allot of compression but with a tone still more toward the vintage side of things you would be happy. MTL is more versatile than the MCII with the lead pull option eq shift.
 
I have a newer version MTL

it does have a ton of gain but always remains clear and tight

it never gets into that supersaturated boosted 5150 sound.

you still would need to boost the MTL to get that.


that being said, it does have a ton of gain.

although not all the gain is useable, meaning the amp will squeal like crazy when the gains and boosts are set high.

to me, the amp doesn't sound to great with the gain that high anyways, I have the gains set up about 50 percent, if I need any more I will usually use a clean boost , or very light OD with boosted volume to get a little more saturation when needed.
 
fuzzyguitars":25sy51lc said:
I have a newer version MTL

it does have a ton of gain but always remains clear and tight

it never gets into that supersaturated boosted 5150 sound.

you still would need to boost the MTL to get that.


that being said, it does have a ton of gain.

although not all the gain is useable, meaning the amp will squeal like crazy when the gains and boosts are set high.

to me, the amp doesn't sound to great with the gain that high anyways, I have the gains set up about 50 percent, if I need any more I will usually use a clean boost , or very light OD with boosted volume to get a little more saturation when needed.
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Same here. With lead boost on, I set my sat to around 2-3 on the dial so quite low and my gain at 4-5 tops. Without boost sat and gain on 5. A little bit from a good od and man what a feel and sound. It can get there without any boost but it's harder to find that balance. With a Wizard I prefer to use a quiet pedal and keep the gain's lower. with the gains up too high one adds in too much noise.
 
halebox":13so7i22 said:
I have a pre rola cab 2 G12H 55hz and two greenback, another 4x12 g1265's, and a vint 30 cab. I guess the creambacks are supposed to be great with wizards. Maybe a wizard cab with creambacks is next
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You'll fine with what you got. If anything I'd swap the Greenies for 2 more 55hz, put that as your bottom cab and put the 65 cab on top! :rock: :rock:
 
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