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slevy008
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Hi everyone! Was wondering how the Ground Zero Hellion v2 compares to a Wizard MTL2?... anyone have experience with these?
Thanks in advance,
Steve
Thanks in advance,
Steve
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I feel it would be more fair to compare hellrazor and hellion. The mtl2 is a solid amp. But the other two are fucking beasts.
However, this is a time when you would want to play them to see what voicing you like. They all will have punch. The hellion is much tighter than the mtl2 and tighter than hellrazor. The hellrazor is like a mtl on steroids. It is one of the best amps i have come accross. Maybe the best.
I would like to spend more time with the hellion. It is a very special amp also. But i feel like it has so much versatility. And i think the hellrazor is going to be more specific.
The mtl2 is a fun amp, more low mid than some of the wizard offerings, but still that wizard high end. It will do everything you need and have punch for days, but you will want a boost with it for certain stuff.
However, this is a time when you would want to play them to see what voicing you like. They all will have punch. The hellion is much tighter than the mtl2 and tighter than hellrazor. The hellrazor is like a mtl on steroids. It is one of the best amps i have come accross. Maybe the best.
I would like to spend more time with the hellion. It is a very special amp also. But i feel like it has so much versatility. And i think the hellrazor is going to be more specific.
The mtl2 is a fun amp, more low mid than some of the wizard offerings, but still that wizard high end. It will do everything you need and have punch for days, but you will want a boost with it for certain stuff.
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slevy008
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Awesome response and info bud! I really appreciate the help. I just picked up the Hellion V2 for a decent number,... Im excited to give it a go!
Thanks for the help!
Steve
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innogator
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How did you end up liking the Hellion? Has been on my shortlist for a while as well
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I do love both wizards still
MetalHeadMike
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Necro...never owned MTL MK2 but a Hybrid and MTL MK1 and many many other Wizards and the Hellion is quite different. Wizards are Wizards, not gonna try and explain, you just have to play one to know.
The Hellion is just as good, but in its own unique way. Hellion has so many shades and characters, so much tweakability to tone, voicing, response/feel/attack. Its a beast but nothing will do the Wizard "thing" like a Wizard except a Wizard.
I'm a self proclaimed Wizard whore but the Hellion has been with me longer than any other amp. Its really really good.
The Hellion is just as good, but in its own unique way. Hellion has so many shades and characters, so much tweakability to tone, voicing, response/feel/attack. Its a beast but nothing will do the Wizard "thing" like a Wizard except a Wizard.
I'm a self proclaimed Wizard whore but the Hellion has been with me longer than any other amp. Its really really good.
ners
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+1 I've got a Hellion, just picked up an MCII, and despite both having a Marshall lineage they're definitely different amps.
MetalHeadMike
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Yes they are. Both incredible.
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ChrisWuelling
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I think the Hellion is the way to go, honestly. As mentioned by Mike, the tweakability is unparalleled. Jeremy’s whole idea with the amp is for us OCD dudes that are always looking for that extra 10% or even 1% to dial in our tone to perfection and the Hellion absolutely has the ability to do so. Only reason I didn’t hang onto mine is once I had it dialed in to perfection, I profiled it with my Kemper. Haha
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The Hellion does sound great in clips. I guess I'll be wondering about Wizards until I try one though at this point
BlackMetal
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I guess I'll be a voice of dissension. I had a brand new Hellion V2 with KT66's and also own a MTL2 KT150. I did not gel with the Hellion. Despite its tweakability, the inherent voice just didn't do it for me. I also don't like the super modern djent stuff, which maybe it excels at. For me, the overall character was too sterile. I tried it with EL34s, thinking it would add more mid grind to it but I ended up liking it even less. Tried it with all 5 of my cabs and eventually just moved it on. It's not a bad amp, it just wasn't the end all, be all amp that you might glean from the endless praise. Kind of like the DV-77 speakers, which I still don't get. Maybe I'm just getting old...
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I will reserve judgement til i play one, but for some of us, there is a sweet spot in between the classics and the modern amps, that some builders are hitting quite well while delivering on punch and voicing.
That balance is where I want to live
BlackMetal
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And despite achieving it, the GAS will live on lol.
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I am at the point now that i try amps to find one that beats mine. If that happens, i will have to have it. But i wont get rid of it before then. Because it fits me like a glove
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braintheory
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No, it’s just personal taste that sounds like it would be similar to mine based on those descriptions. In general I don’t like KT66’s as much either
WizardSouth-JP
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The Hellion leans more Marshall (lots of tone shaping on it with the Aura, clipping etc) whereas the MTL is a more straight forward EQ with the sweep and saturation being the most impactful on the voice of the amp. To my ears the Wizard had more girth and 3D effect - the Hellion was cool, don't get me wrong, but the attack on the MTL is more what I'm used to. The Hellion is probably the best bang for your buck amp made these days if that helps any.
MetalHeadMike
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With certain settings the Hellion can definitely lean more towards that ultra modern direction, what some refer to as sterile I guess. With a boost out front and the wrong settings, it just too hyper aggressive I feel. I think that's where it can get way too modern, djenty. Have to get the right mix of settingsfor sure when boosting out front to not go over the top.
I'll admit when I first got mine I had it set up to where I felt it was way too modern but after learning what everything does and setting it up differently, I was able to get all kinds of great tones. Lots going on with the amp with pull boosts, and all the switches and such, but the right combo of settings and I can get some really rich/harmonic, relatively warm, open & punchy, really aggressive tones.
I'll admit when I first got mine I had it set up to where I felt it was way too modern but after learning what everything does and setting it up differently, I was able to get all kinds of great tones. Lots going on with the amp with pull boosts, and all the switches and such, but the right combo of settings and I can get some really rich/harmonic, relatively warm, open & punchy, really aggressive tones.
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That is the tightest amp i have ever seen. I can definitely see calling it sterile. But i think the amp is interesting. It could be useful for a lot of things, and i would like to play one more.
The moab i played was the opposite of sterile. It was a great voicing, probably the best modded marshall i have ever seen. Massive punch and tight enough for anything I would ever do.