Wonder Why we Have a Problem w/Police Violating Rights…

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It doesn’t help that we have States paying for this Stormtrooper bullshit. Don’t get me wrong. I’m down for law enforcement when they are acting professionally and with the constitution in mind and know they face the worst of us on a regular basis. But States paying for this crap with taxpayer money while it trains cops to increase tax payer, pay outs from Rights violations, is not only morally disgusting but financially negligent.

 
Our law enforcement is militarized. Corrections as well. Removal of qualified immunity is what needs to happen. If I was outside the scope of my employment, basically not following policy…I could have been sued and destroyed by an inmate. That attorney in the video is awesome. He’s here in West Virginia down in Monroe county. Good dude. Now back to our law enforcement we have to deal with stuff that other countries don’t have to deal with. Now with the crazy immigration in Europe they are getting a taste of it on a smaller scale. Melting pots have disadvantages.
 
I saw this video yesterday. Talk about teaching the wrong things. I’m for good policing, but far too often I see stories of police violating citizens rights. Considering the SCOTUS has ruled police can lie during investigations, honest citizens need to be aware of their rights and to never talk to police without a lawyer present since police lies can coerce you into saying something wrong and incriminate yourself.
 
I am now in my 23rd year of the practice of law. 100% Criminal Defense work - 80% State and 20% Fed. So I stipulate that I often see the worst examples of extended searches on the side of the road with zero probable cause, coercive interview (interrogation) techniques, and ‘reverse’ investigations intended to provide ‘after the fact’ support for a knee-jerk arrest. But I also get to see many citizens at their worst as well, and I am genuinely in awe of the restraint many of these officers exercise when dealing with filth. I will also say that back when I was still in a lil’ weekend band that played out 3-4 times a year at a local watering hole, our most loyal fans were a group of great guys from our sheriff’s dept who I got to know from the courthouse and at the detention center.

I completely agree that if you train for combat, dress for combat, and equip yourself for combat, you will begin to see the potential for combat in every situation. If you see folks as enemy combatants as opposed to neighbors, taxpayers, possibly even friends and acquaintances or parents of your kids classmates, you act differently in every interaction.

There is a great book about this written by Bradley Balko called ‘Rise of the Warrior Cop.’ Yes, written from a readily identifiable perspective - as most all books are. But very informative.
 

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I am now in my 23rd year of the practice of law. 100% Criminal Defense work - 80% State and 20% Fed. So I stipulate that I often see the worst examples of extended searches on the side of the road with zero probable cause, coercive interview (interrogation) techniques, and ‘reverse’ investigations intended to provide ‘after the fact’ support for a knee-jerk arrest. But I also get to see many citizens at their worst as well, and I am genuinely in awe of the restraint many of these officers exercise when dealing with filth. I will also say that back when I was still in a lil’ weekend band that played out 3-4 times a year at a local watering hole, our most loyal fans were a group of great guys from our sheriff’s dept who I got to know from the courthouse and at the detention center.

I completely agree that if you train for combat, dress for combat, and equip yourself for combat, you will begin to see the potential for combat in every situation. If you see folks as enemy combatants as opposed to neighbors, taxpayers, possibly even friends and acquaintances or parents of your kids classmates, you act differently in every interaction.

There is a great book about this written by Bradley Balko called ‘Rise of the Warrior Cop.’ Yes, written from a readily identifiable perspective - as most all books are. But very informative.
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Thanks for your perspective. To clarify, I'm not anti-cop.... I'm anti bad cop, which includes good cops staying quiet and not doing the right thing.
 
psychodave said:
Thanks for your perspective. To clarify, I'm not anti-cop.... I'm anti bad cop, which includes good cops staying quiet and not doing the right thing.
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The problems IMO, stem from corrupt leadership and prosecutors. A lot of the potential good cops see how the bad ones are covered for and protected and realize what happens to their job and or safety if they try and do the right thing. Or prosecutors afraid to not get investigative support if they go after bad Policing. The whole prosecutorial system seems to be too inter-linked from cop to Judge with everyone having leverage over the other. Prosecutors need police help, they have to often work with the same Judge or Judges repeatedly. Judges are often not worthy of the position with too much ego or lack of real “judgement’.

Cops instead of being professional team mates and partners truly seem to act like gang members. Too many vids of a cop showing up where they instantly go with whatever the first on scene says and support it without any use of their own investigation or intuition to double check the situation. Even if they offer counterpoint, they don’t actually stop the first from proceeding on their course. If a cop goes hands on, without cause, you always see the other cops join in. I’ve never seen footage of cops stopping one of their own from being physical when it is unjustified. Shit, there was even a video I saw recently, where a guy helped cops stop someone escaping (in a Walmart I think) and another cop rushed in and put the butt of his rifle in the guys head and started assaulting him, assuming him a perp when the guy was tackling the actual perp and wasn’t even on another cop. The other cops, who knew he was helping didn’t even try to stop it and the guy got seriously injured.

I wouldn’t help a cop unless they’re alone and in serious jeopardy. The fact that they don’t see what they’re creating with this kind of Policing is what scares me. Totally oblivious to the public blowback that can only be growing.
 
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PDC said:
I am now in my 23rd year of the practice of law. 100% Criminal Defense work - 80% State and 20% Fed. So I stipulate that I often see the worst examples of extended searches on the side of the road with zero probable cause, coercive interview (interrogation) techniques, and ‘reverse’ investigations intended to provide ‘after the fact’ support for a knee-jerk arrest. But I also get to see many citizens at their worst as well, and I am genuinely in awe of the restraint many of these officers exercise when dealing with filth. I will also say that back when I was still in a lil’ weekend band that played out 3-4 times a year at a local watering hole, our most loyal fans were a group of great guys from our sheriff’s dept who I got to know from the courthouse and at the detention center.

I completely agree that if you train for combat, dress for combat, and equip yourself for combat, you will begin to see the potential for combat in every situation. If you see folks as enemy combatants as opposed to neighbors, taxpayers, possibly even friends and acquaintances or parents of your kids classmates, you act differently in every interaction.

There is a great book about this written by Bradley Balko called ‘Rise of the Warrior Cop.’ Yes, written from a readily identifiable perspective - as most all books are. But very informative.
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Extremely well said sir.
 
skoora said:
The problems IMO, stem from corrupt leadership and prosecutors. A lot of the potential good cops see how the bad ones are covered for and protected and realize what happens to their job and or safety if they try and do the right thing. Or prosecutors afraid to not get investigative support if they go after bad Policing. The whole prosecutorial system seems to be too inter-linked from cop to Judge with everyone having leverage over the other. Prosecutors need police help, they have to often work with the same Judge or Judges repeatedly. Judges are often not worthy of the position with too much ego or lack of real “judgement’.

Cops instead of being professional team mates and partners truly seem to act like gang members. Too many vids of a cop showing up where they instantly go with whatever the first on scene says and support it without any use of their own investigation or intuition to double check the situation. Even if they offer counterpoint, they don’t actually stop the first from proceeding on their course. If a cop goes hands on, without cause, you always see the other cops join in. I’ve never seen footage of cops stopping one of their own from being physical when it is unjustified. Shit, there was even a video I saw recently, where a guy helped cops stop someone escaping (in a Walmart I think) and another cop rushed in and put the butt of his rifle in the guys head and started assaulting him, assuming him a perp when the guy was tackling the actual perp and wasn’t even on another cop. The other cops, who knew he was helping didn’t even try to stop it and the guy got seriously injured.

I wouldn’t help a cop unless they’re alone and in serious jeopardy. The fact that they don’t see what they’re creating with this kind of Policing is what scares me. Totally oblivious to the public blowback that can only be growing.
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While employed with the fed we were expected to assist law enforcement at any time. I actually have a few times. Now I think the bop has changed their policy. Too much liability. I helped a town cop out with a drunk female in a gas station once. He couldn’t handle her. I asked him if he needed a hand and he said yes when he saw my uniform. I put her in the ole okiedoke and down she went chicken winged. He was pretty grateful. But our training is different. We focus on takedowns and such. People have gotten crazier. I don’t want to be a cop. I have had one nephew almost killed and another nephew is a deputy. Our local ones are a bunch of goobers. Troopers are hardcore but they always have been.
 
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