Would the Torpedo Live improve AFX Ultra drasticly?

[DADA]

Reading loads of praise about the quality of sound and feel of the 2Notes Torpedo live. This got me thinking to buy the Torpedo live and integrate it with the Ultra and use the Ultra only for its pre-amp and FX.

- Anybody have experience with this setup?
- Does it blow the AFX its poweramp and cab part out the water?
- Would this be a better then the Kemper? And why?

Thanks for the aswers and help!

 

[Ventura]

I would think this to be an exercise in redundancy.

I can imagine it in the case of FX only in conjunction with the TNTL, but as a preamp? You've already got the IRs set up in the AFX, you've already got DI capability, you've already got all your routing options AND your TRS/XLR outs.

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Shark Diver]

Mo is right. The reason I feel the LIVE sounds so great is that it is pulling it's tone from a real amp. So, you aren't emulating the pre or power amp. The Axe and LIVE both can have the same IRs - so the LIVE wouldn't be adding anything the Axe wouldn't already have.

 

[RustyMcTavish]

Above 2 guys are spot on. The latest releases from Fractal, OH, etc... all have Axe-FX standard/Ultra IRs included. Would be the same ones you load up in the Two-Notes.

 

[DADA]

Thanks guys

In theory I agree with ya. But if the TNTL is much better from a poweramp and cab modeling perspective it would potentialy fiill the gap. The reason I started this is this guy who actualy tried this with his AFX II.

So I bought a Torpedo Live to use with a recently purchased Carol Ann Triptik. I dont gig, this is for home use with studio monitors. Sounds pretty good-still trying different pedals/cabs to find my favorite. Was wondering what the cab sims would sound like with the Axe 2-Really good ! What I got in a few minutes with the TL was IMO much better than what I had dialed up with the stock cabs. Amps I couldnt find a good sound with earlier (SLO,FAS MDN,ect..) now sound great. Whats more surprising is that these "improved" rigs are using the Torpedo Live power amp sims. I disabled the Axe 2s power amp and am using it as a preamp I guess. I AB'd the two power amp sims and much preferred the TL's. With the TL you can choose your tube type (6L6,EL34, ect..) and the 6L6 just sounds great to me. I didnt anticipate this,but this is a really cool discovery (for me). For anyone that dosent know, the interface with the TLs computer program is almost exactly like Amplitubes where you can manipulate the mic where you think it sounds best. This is very intuitive and makes finding a good sound so easy. Cabs that are so-so can quickly be dialed-in where as with the stock Axe 2 cabs I settled for "sounds okay" a lot. I fully accept this can be labeled as user error on my part in regards to the Axes cabs. I just know I got really good sounds quickly using the TL. I'm also a big fan of the Axe 2-it's not going any where. If you have the opportunity to try this setup I highly recommend it. Now I'm debating on buying a Bogner Fish preamp to try with the Torpedo...

More over you will get plenty of IR slots and extra hardware features. And this acquisition would be future proof if I decided to buy a good preamp.

Any other here who have both and can test this? Would be much apriciated.

 

[metalsoup]

Do you need the loadbox capability of the TNTL, or do you just want to use its software modeling of power amps and cabs?

If you don't need a loadbox, why not just use Two Note's Torpedo Wall of Sound plug-in within your DAW to model the power amps and cabs? Unless I'm mistaken, the software used to model power amps and cabs in the TNTL is the same as that found in the Wall of Sound plug-in. I'm not sure of the exact pricing, but I would guess the plug-in sells for quite a bit less than the TNTL and may offer more power amp and cab simulations than found in the TNTL.

There is also the Torpedo C.A.B. which basically puts the power amp and cab modeling software into a stompbox in the event that you may not want to run your signal through a DAW. Of course, the C.A.B. still works great for recording using a DAW. Pete Thorn has a nice video on YouTube demonstrating the Torpedo C.A.B.

 

[Rogue]

I prefer the TN cab sims to the standard convolution process. But you won't know until you try.

As metalsoup said, there are other options for you instead of the Live. The plug-in or CAB would be cheaper for your needs. Is there a reason you were looking into the Live?

If you have a decent computer and DAW, you can download the free Two Notes plug-in. One cab and one mic, but you can get an idea if it's something you might prefer over the AxeFX cab/power amp sims.

Even if you do prefer this way, there does seem some redundancy here. If you're not using the cab and power amp sims in the AxeFX you might as well find a good tube preamp or a head (would need the Live for a head).

 

[DADA]

For recoding you guys are spot on. But this is more about the amp/cab feel for live use.

What I am looking for is an emperic confirmation that it is possible to upgrade my Ultra its sound and feel with other technology. Rogue, what you are saying is intersting. why do you like the Torpedo cab more?

The other option is to buy the Kemper rack and the third option is a great midi tube pre-amp with the TNTL and a FX unit. The II is for me out of the question.

EDIT

A 7-string forum member has a good and simple advice so I can try it myself, altough it will be in a recording environment.

You can try that.. Just download Torpedo wall of sound iii beta and use it as the cab and / or power amp simulation instead of the ones in the axe model patch and see which one you like best.
I think the beta Torpedo plug in is free to trial for some days.. It should do the same as the hardware unit except for the load box but you don't need it for the axe

I quite like the Torpedo sim after the fx loop of my Blackstar ht–5r

 

[Ventura]

This is getting interesting and petty at the same time.

I'm speechless.

 

[Rogue]

Rogue, what you are saying is intersting. why do you like the Torpedo cab more?

I use the DAW sims, which is the same as the CAB. I feel it sounds more natural, however, tends to have a more "pushed back" kind of thing happening. Hard to describe, but you'll have to check it out and decide which works best for you.

 

[se7en]

No but a tube amp would improve the torpedo live drastically...sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Shark Diver]

No but a tube amp would improve the torpedo live drastically...sorry couldn't resist.

I was playing around with the LIVE and my PedalPro and finally got the LIVE to where it sounded pretty much like it does with my SLO. I spent really no time adjusting the PP and just the LIVE. It may be a 3 rack space rig for me next practice.

But to the OP, the clips I've heard of the Axe II are pretty damn great. I am hoping to try one soon. Possibly would like to try a Kemper, but they were pretty damn rude at the last Amp Show, so I just haven't had a desire to try one. But clips I've heard of the KPA are pretty great too.

I think it just comes down to taste at this point, and specific need:
Want to use your heads - 2Notes
Want to keep it digital and simple - Kemper
Want to have unlimited fx/amps - Fractal.

 

[animal]

does the two notes do a all in one like the axe-fx or only cab emulation?

I would look into the kemper also , I own both an ultra/II but prefer the kemper much more with amp models

 

[Rogue]

does the two notes do a all in one like the axe-fx or only cab emulation?

It does power amp sims and cab sims. It always has a nice method for adjusting your mic position. A few effects such as exciter, EQ, and compressor. It does not have preamp sims.

 

[Ventura]

No but a tube amp would improve the torpedo live drastically...sorry couldn't resist.

I was playing around with the LIVE and my PedalPro and finally got the LIVE to where it sounded pretty much like it does with my SLO. I spent really no time adjusting the PP and just the LIVE. It may be a 3 rack space rig for me next practice.

But to the OP, the clips I've heard of the Axe II are pretty damn great. I am hoping to try one soon. Possibly would like to try a Kemper, but they were pretty damn rude at the last Amp Show, so I just haven't had a desire to try one. But clips I've heard of the KPA are pretty great too.

I think it just comes down to taste at this point, and specific need:
Want to use your heads - 2Notes
Want to keep it digital and simple - Kemper
Want to have unlimited fx/amps - Fractal.

You did it again.

You said PedalPro.