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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 07, 2007 6:08pm 
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Hey everybody!

I saw a really cheap Engl midipedal Z-12 back here in sweden. Got some questions to you guys! First and formost, does it even work? It should right? And second...the VH-4 powers the Colombus so you don´t have to have a seperate powersupply...does this go for all pedals? I would love to have the colombus but don´t have the money :no:

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1. Engl units
Engl units don't follow the "standard" wiring for phantom power and because the question came up several times now (Z11/Z12 <---VH4 or Columbus <--- Engl head) - here's a chart for you or your techs. . . (yeah, the Diezel has 7 PINs, but 1/6 and 3/7 are parallel . . . )
Its much easier to mod the Diezel (VH4 or Columbus) - their jacks are PTP wired, the Engl footswitches (at least those I've seen) are (tiny :D ) PCBs, so . . . just a wire between 2 and 3 inside the Diezel unit.


2. Nobels units
MF1 and MF2 follow the "standard" and don't need to be modded. Both run off phantom power.

3. Midi Cables
Make sure that your midi cable has 5 wires inside.
We have realized that even expensive brands don't have them, some just have three wires (but still 5 PINs on the jacks) - go figure . . . I do know for sure that Thomann's cheap brand is working flawlessly. Rocktron cable also is fine

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edit: deleted some old posts to make it clearer :)

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Feel free to post your unit and if its working or not.

Thanks, Danke & Merci.

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Rolls Midi Buddy should work too . . .


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Got a website within EU where I can get one of those? ;)

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Get what, Udo?

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Hehe...the Rolls Midi Buddy....sorry about that :D

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Sorry, no idea. I have one, bought it used.

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Hi duesentrieb,

so, just to make sure,
all I have to do to use phanton power with the ENGL Z-12 and VH4 is to sold a wire between pin 2 and 3 on the VH4?
will it be OK to have pin 2 and 3 "powered" at the same time?

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I think so. The next time I have a VH4 around (my neighbour has one and a Z11 I think) I'll post more info - and a pic.
Please gimme a week or two, ok?

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Great!!!

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duesentrieb wrote:
1. Engl units
Engl units don't follow the "standard" wiring for phantom power and because the question came up several times now (Z11/Z12 <---VH4 or Columbus <--- Engl head) - here's a chart for you or your techs. . . (yeah, the Diezel has 7 PINs, but 1/6 and 3/7 are parallel . . . )
Its much easier to mod the Diezel (VH4 or Columbus) - their jacks are PTP wired, the Engl footswitches (at least those I've seen) are (tiny :D ) PCBs, so . . . just a wire between 2 and 3 inside the Diezel unit.


Does this mean that without modding the Z12 should work when used with an external power supply?

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I have bought a Rolls MP 80, it has 5 pins.
Does this mean I can use it with a 5/5 pin cable into the Herbert(7pins) and the phantom power will work ? Or do I need a 5/7 pin cable ?

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duesentrieb wrote:
(yeah, the Diezel has 7 PINs, but 1/6 and 3/7 are parallel . . . )


if the rest is wired correctly, yes


@kickapoo: yes. but you can also build an adapter for use with z12: 1 MIDI plug socket, 1 MIDI jack, 1 five-wire cable, soldering iron

Diezel side -- Engl side
1 -- 1
2 -- 3
3 -- 2
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elfredoo wrote:
@kickapoo: yes. but you can also build an adapter for use with z12: 1 MIDI plug socket, 1 MIDI jack, 1 five-wire cable, soldering iron

Diezel side -- Engl side
1 -- 1
2 -- 3
3 -- 2
4 -- 4
5 -- 5


Thx, the important part for me is that the Z12 will at least work with an external power supply, since I get the VH4 and Z12 on Friday and will run it on a gig on Saturday, so that will do just fine for me :thumbsup:

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Thanks, I wasn´t sure if that 5-pin thing works in the female 7-pin thing :D

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better less pins for the female thing than other way round :lol: :LOL: ... :D ... :yes: ... :) ... :scared: ... :confused:

@kickapoo: now THAT is cold blooded ;) there shouldn't be a problem... but never say never, read through the part in the manual about how to get the right midi-channel communication. i had no problem switching using the g-system

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elfredoo wrote:
better less pins for the female thing than other way round :lol: :LOL: ... :D ... :yes: ... :) ... :scared: ... :confused:

@kickapoo: now THAT is cold blooded ;) there shouldn't be a problem... but never say never, read through the part in the manual about how to get the right midi-channel communication. i had no problem switching using the g-system


Originally i wanted to pick up the VH4 on Monday, because I thought it would be too 'risky' to already play a gig without really knowing this beast........but then I thought 'What the heck, let's do this'.....I will have a little sexy time alone with it on Friday, before we load our stuff into the cars for Saturday. Before this I'll have a trip of 500 kilometers (total) ahead of me in order to get it (buying a used one).

Good point with the manual. I took a look at the german manual of the VH4 on the Diezel Page, but it doesn't explain the Midi-Assign-Procedure, but the english one does :confused: Well, no problem, mine inglish iz varry gooed :lol: :LOL:

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Komm´ bei mir in Bad Steben vorbei, falls es
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Peter Diezel wrote:
Komm´ bei mir in Bad Steben vorbei, falls es
Probleme gibt...... Kaffee ist auch da.


Keine Bange, hatte ich eh vor demnächst :)

Irgendwelche Vorlieben bzgl. der Wodkasorte? :D

Der hier ist lustig: http://cgi.ebay.de/Vodka-%22Red-Army-Kalaschnikow%22-und-%22Granata%22-40%25-Wodka_W0QQitemZ360104773160QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&rvr_id=&cguid=4064900a1280a0e203b2c372ffec63df :lol: :LOL:

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Verführe mich Sünder, oh Satan :D

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Verführe mich Sünder, oh Satan :D

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midi channel communication: german manual, last page:
http://diezel.typo3.inpublica.de/upload ... h09neu.pdf

ps: mit wodka kriegt man den meister also bestochen.... interessant :cheers2: ;)

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midi channel communication: german manual, last page:
http://diezel.typo3.inpublica.de/upload ... h09neu.pdf

ps: mit wodka kriegt man den meister also bestochen.... interessant :cheers2: ;)


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by colors for the VH4 looking into the open amp from its top (flipped) - for Engl units:

left midi jack:
1) unsolder the yellow wire. solder green cable from left to right, where yellow was
2) solder the yellow cable to the top (empty) PIN

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Hi ...
I had to ressurect this topic. I have a Roland GFC 50. It has a 9V Plug and a Midi Port (of course :-). Is it possible to get this pedal modded for Phantom Power from the VH4? I think about: the 9 V Plug will have Cables and maybe one can solder it to the "Powered" Pins on the Midi-Plug?

I´m not a technical person... so excuse me for writing way nooby...


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Mach ein Photo von dem Bereich des Pedals, wo die Midi Out Buchse und die 9V Buchse sind. Normalerweise sollte das kein Problem sein.

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Super! Mache ich sobald ich die Zeit habe, das Teil aufzuschrauben! Ist eigentlich nämlich ein gutes Board, passt sogar in mein Rack mit rein! Und man hat 5 Auswahltasten sowie durch A/B zwei Belegungen. MAn kann sich also auf jeder Taste jeden Channel in Master1/Master2 abspeichern und mit der A/B-Taste umschalten ohne lange zu suchen! Mit Phantom wäre es perfekt!


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sollte eigentlich kein Problem sein.

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Sorry to necro this thread.

I have a Gordius Little Giant midi foot controller that can only operate at 9V DC or AC. As such, I would like to ensure that when I connect my midi cable to my VH4, it does not fry my foot controller.

Is there any way to just turn off the phantom power on the Diezel? How can I be sure whether the cables are capable of handling phantom power or not. FWIW, I don't think they are, the cables were just standard midi cables.

Any way to make completely sure? Do I risk an expensive accident?

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I am pretty sure it will not hurt the unit if it is able to run with 9V DC AND AC, because internally there is a 5V regulator. To be sure, just ask them.
In case it cannot handle 12V DC from the VH4, just unsolder the wire for "+" (see top of page) and insulate it (PIN 3).
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I am pretty sure it will not hurt the unit if it is able to run with 9V DC AND AC, because internally there is a 5V regulator. To be sure, just ask them.
In case it cannot handle 12V DC from the VH4, just unsolder the wire for "+" (see top of page) and insulate it (PIN 3).
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Thanks a lot. I'll get in touch with the manufacturer and check.

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