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PostPosted: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:57pm 
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Since I have owned two Bluefaces I noticed something so I wanted to share with you guys here especially the Adam Jones Tonez chasers like me. :lol: :LOL:

Sometime in late 96 or early 97 Peter had made a revision to the VH4 Blueface and you can see it went from "Old script" to "New script". Look at Adam's Blueface and you can see it has the "Old script". Note no bright switch for channel 2.

What I do know is the Power transformers maybe different? On the back of my "old script" there is a switch to go from 110v to 220v. On the newer script and modern silverface the conversion has to be done by using a soldering iron.


Peter if you are reading this can you tell us what year was Adam Jones VH4 Blueface? Also when did you go from the Old script to Newer style script and was there anything else major about this revision. Is the later Blueface with the new script much more similar to the silverface?

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New script 97 blueface which now belongs to another member of this forum.
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Note the back and serial numbers are done just like the silverface VH4.
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Old script 95 this is number 25.

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Note the back, serial and power outlet:

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DAMIT I forgot to send you a pic but I see you still got it anyway :D
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What a sight !!!

I can tell you that not long after the VH4 made it to the US the switchable voltage was removed.
At the time, you could buy a VH4 in Germany for about $1900 Marks which was half of what
the US distributor was selling them for in US dollars. Needless to say, almost had a Blue Face but
Salwender told a few lies about the power transformer. DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MARK2C wrote:
At the time, you could buy a VH4 in Germany for about $1900 Marks

:lol: :LOL: never :lol: :LOL:

even on the used market you coudn't grab one for that money.

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MARK2C wrote:
What a sight !!!

I can tell you that not long after the VH4 made it to the US the switchable voltage was removed.
At the time, you could buy a VH4 in Germany for about $1900 Marks which was half of what
the US distributor was selling them for in US dollars. Needless to say, almost had a Blue Face but
Salwender told a few lies about the power transformer. DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please explain, what kind of lies was he telling about the transformer?

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I also got to add: Peter you have to do a reissue in a small limited number because these original blueface VH4 amps are AMAZING not that the new VH4 is bad but the channel 3 gain on these are to die for. :rock: :rock: :rock:

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EXPcustom wrote:
MARK2C wrote:
What a sight !!!

I can tell you that not long after the VH4 made it to the US the switchable voltage was removed.
At the time, you could buy a VH4 in Germany for about $1900 Marks which was half of what
the US distributor was selling them for in US dollars. Needless to say, almost had a Blue Face but
Salwender told a few lies about the power transformer. DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please explain, what kind of lies was he telling about the transformer?


That it was only a 230V unit when it could do 120V and 240V.

If my memory is bad from 13 years ago I apologize. If it was $4900 marks it was only about $ 2000 US at the time.
My uncle in Munich was going to pick it up and ship it to me, so there !!!!

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MARK2C wrote:
EXPcustom wrote:
MARK2C wrote:
What a sight !!!

I can tell you that not long after the VH4 made it to the US the switchable voltage was removed.
At the time, you could buy a VH4 in Germany for about $1900 Marks which was half of what
the US distributor was selling them for in US dollars. Needless to say, almost had a Blue Face but
Salwender told a few lies about the power transformer. DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please explain, what kind of lies was he telling about the transformer?


That it was only a 230V unit when it could do 120V and 240V.

If my memory is bad from 13 years ago I apologize. If it was $4900 marks it was only about $ 2000 US at the time.
My uncle in Munich was going to pick it up and ship it to me, so there !!!!


Check out the one in the article from 94 it does not have a switch on the back like mine, so maybe some did have a 230v only unit?

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Interesting thread..... :yes:

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EXPcustom wrote:
I also got to add: Peter you have to do a reissue in a small limited number because these original blueface VH4 amps are AMAZING not that the new VH4 is bad but the channel 3 gain on these are to die for. :rock: :rock: :rock:

I don't think he would if he could (those exact parts are not available anymore) :aww:
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EXPcustom wrote:
I also got to add: Peter you have to do a reissue in a small limited number because these original blueface VH4 amps are AMAZING not that the new VH4 is bad but the channel 3 gain on these are to die for. :rock: :rock: :rock:

How does the tone/sound differ from the blueface models to current? I LOVED the newer model VH4 I played. :inlove:

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I also got to add: Peter you have to do a reissue in a small limited number because these original blueface VH4 amps are AMAZING not that the new VH4 is bad but the channel 3 gain on these are to die for. :rock: :rock: :rock:

How does the tone/sound differ from the blueface models to current? I LOVED the newer model VH4 I played. :inlove:


Here you can read the differences between 2004 (maybe also 1996) VH4 and 2007+ models.

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Adam has a 1995 blue face. I don´t remember when
we changed the script. The following first silver face
edition had the same circuit except the clean channel.

Mark2C is right. Uwe Salwender was asking to remove
the voltage selector. Also because of the 115 volt setting
they have a very high plate voltage in USA. I remember
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Thanks for the reply Peter, I edited the wiki on Adam Jones to show he has a 1995 Blueface, it was stated that he had used the Marshall and Diezel since 1994 which was incorrect.

I refrenced this thread. :thumbsup:

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Adam's tone is definitely unique. I think his Marshall has more to do with it than the VH4, though. If you listen to any of the clips from the live show at JC Dobbs on Youtube, you can hear just how much his tone relies on the Marshall. You can get a similar sound with just a VH4 by cranking the master and running channel 2 really hot. It's beefy, mid-heavy and not over saturated with gain. Channel 3 would cover the stuff on Lateralus and 10,000 Days. But there's an eerie, spine-tingling character to the Aenima guitar sound that you just can't get without a cranked Marshall and Mesa Boogie. I don't think Aenima was recorded with a Diezel.

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Adam's tone is definitely unique. I think his Marshall has more to do with it than the VH4, though. If you listen to any of the clips from the live show at JC Dobbs on Youtube, you can hear just how much his tone relies on the Marshall. You can get a similar sound with just a VH4 by cranking the master and running channel 2 really hot. It's beefy, mid-heavy and not over saturated with gain. Channel 3 would cover the stuff on Lateralus and 10,000 Days. But there's an eerie, spine-tingling character to the Aenima guitar sound that you just can't get without a cranked Marshall and Mesa Boogie. I don't think Aenima was recorded with a Diezel.


It was used on Aenima he got it in late 95, You can hear it well on the song Jimmy from what I was told it may have not been used on all the songs but someone would have to ask the producer or Adam.

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According to a friend of Adams I had a conversation with Aenima and everything before it was only the Marshall and no other amps. I have come to believe this is the truth. But who knows ?

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That's pretty much what I heard from another person "in the know", claims the Diezel was not used on the record untill the first month of Aenima tour then another person who is pretty reliable said that it was used on a few songs on Aenima then it was later added to Adam's touring rig during the Aenima tour. :confused:

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One thing is for sure .... this stuff is a lot like figuring out how the great pyramid was built .... :lol: :LOL:

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I want to confirm this one extra pre-amp tube in a blueface thing, would someone with a 1999 or newer silverface chime in with how many pre-amp tubes you have?

If this is true I want to find me a 1998 silverface as a backup for my blueface unless of course I find another blueface.

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The extra preamp tube was only on the first blue
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I want to confirm this one extra pre-amp tube in a blueface thing, would someone with a 1999 or newer silverface chime in with how many pre-amp tubes you have?

If this is true I want to find me a 1998 silverface as a backup for my blueface unless of course I find another blueface.



You might have a look at this seller in a german forum:

http://www.guitarworld.de/forum/biete-p ... 25581.html

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Speaking of Adam Jones tone. There was a amp once listed on ebay that had his settings marked and a signature from Peter on the back. The seller claimed that it was an amp once belonging to Adam Jones of TOOL(I saved the pics from the auction).

I was wondering if this was infact Adam's amp?

Peter - is this your Signature? What year would this amp have been? Why would he have a silver and a blue faced amp? What is the differences between a silver and a blu face amp other than the obvious.

I have been using these settings on my VH4, can't say for certain that it sounds exactly like Adam's tone, but does have that dark deep tone + i run the volume much lower that what it is set at in this pic. I am happy with the setting though. I do tend to run the Deep setting a little brighter though...


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Whats the story with this picture?

Are they running the Heads in stereo, is this a artists rig?


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Whats the story with this picture?

Are they running the Heads in stereo, is this a artists rig?

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Speaking of Adam Jones tone. There was a amp once listed on ebay that had his settings marked and a signature from Peter on the back. The seller claimed that it was an amp once belonging to Adam Jones of TOOL(I saved the pics from the auction).

I was wondering if this was infact Adam's amp?

Peter - is this your Signature? What year would this amp have been? Why would he have a silver and a blue faced amp? What is the differences between a silver and a blu face amp other than the obvious.

I have been using these settings on my VH4, can't say for certain that it sounds exactly like Adam's tone, but does have that dark deep tone + i run the volume much lower that what it is set at in this pic. I am happy with the setting though. I do tend to run the Deep setting a little brighter though...


Yeah, that's one of Adam's old amps. I've seen it around the net here and there. You won't get his sound with just that amp, though. You'll need that Marshall along side it as well.

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Hey EXP custom, do u still own the blue face diezel you posted pictures of back in 2010? I am the second owner of that amp and was wondering where it has been for many years. Thanks for any info


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Hey all, sorry for chiming in late and hopefully not off topic.

I play in an Australian TooL Tribute band and am desperately chasing Adam's sound as best as i can.

I am looking at getting a VH4 but for the life of me cannot locate a dealer in South Australia. Is there a list of Australian Dealers that i could obtain?

I am currently using a Randall RH300 which is loud and has a brutal tone but not quite Toolish enough. I was going to aim toward the dual rectifer as they are quite common around here and can be sourced 2nd hand which helps a struggling musician but i know Diezel would be better so i am hoping to find one around.

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Hey all, sorry for chiming in late and hopefully not off topic.

I play in an Australian TooL Tribute band and am desperately chasing Adam's sound as best as i can.

I am looking at getting a VH4 but for the life of me cannot locate a dealer in South Australia. Is there a list of Australian Dealers that i could obtain?

I am currently using a Randall RH300 which is loud and has a brutal tone but not quite Toolish enough. I was going to aim toward the dual rectifer as they are quite common around here and can be sourced 2nd hand which helps a struggling musician but i know Diezel would be better so i am hoping to find one around.

Any help would be grateful

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Shane from BMusic imports all Diezel's and I believe he has most of them in stock?? http://bmusic.com.au/index.php?main_pag ... 1672531a04

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Thanks you so much Phillip, over $5,000 - wow i might need to re-mortgage my house before i visit the shop. At least i know i can get them now :D


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Thanks you so much Phillip, over $5,000 - wow i might need to re-mortgage my house before i visit the shop. At least i know i can get them now :D


No worries dude. I do Highly highly highly recommend getting a German made Diezel cabinet to match. I've tried my Diezel's with every cab you can think of. It just totally transforms the sounds of the amp. It's like owning a nice lowered HSV and putting cheap Chinese imported wheels on it. It makes it yuk.

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[/quote]No worries dude. I do Highly highly highly recommend getting a German made Diezel cabinet to match. I've tried my Diezel's with every cab you can think of. It just totally transforms the sounds of the amp. It's like owning a nice lowered HSV and putting cheap Chinese imported wheels on it. It makes it yuk.
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Fair call..... I have not even heard the head in action (apart from seeing Tool Live) I might give the shop a call and see if they have one with a cab for me to test.


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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 24, 2014 7:50am 
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EXPcustom wrote:
Since I have owned two Bluefaces I noticed something so I wanted to share with you guys here especially the Adam Jones Tonez chasers like me. :lol: :LOL:

Sometime in late 96 or early 97 Peter had made a revision to the VH4 Blueface and you can see it went from "Old script" to "New script". Look at Adam's Blueface and you can see it has the "Old script". Note no bright switch for channel 2.

What I do know is the Power transformers maybe different? On the back of my "old script" there is a switch to go from 110v to 220v. On the newer script and modern silverface the conversion has to be done by using a soldering iron.


Peter if you are reading this can you tell us what year was Adam Jones VH4 Blueface? Also when did you go from the Old script to Newer style script and was there anything else major about this revision. Is the later Blueface with the new script much more similar to the silverface?

Now for pics.

New script 97 blueface which now belongs to another member of this forum.
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Note the back and serial numbers are done just like the silverface VH4.
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Old script 95 this is number 25.

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Note the back, serial and power outlet:

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There should be no big difference between the amps sound wise.
But Jesus, I cannot remember on every detail.

For the main transformers there was a need for the distributors to have
it pre wired for the country main voltage to avoid cheaper imports
from Germany. That makes no sense nowadays because of the exchange rates
and shipment costs.

Further it´s a matter of the voltage selectors and the primary windings.
It´s not save enough for German electrical law in order to have more than
two voltages. We need 100 V, 120 V, 230 V and 240 V for the different
countries.

There is no more secret to re wire the primaries. I can send a service
manual and schematic.

Cheers,
Peter


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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 28, 2014 5:50pm 
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nice post!
i just had the luck to get one 97 blue vh4...i´d owned 4 vh4...include a vh4 blue reedition that i have already...and the old one its killer...
its less gain, but nice. more dynamics..more headroom...i don't know. its just the holy grail of diezel tone...
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i even putted on sale for a few days :doh: , but after get some "famous" offers...i decided to retire it...its a god gift in my hands! :rock:

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