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Anyone have any news when these will be out? Their site is still under construction. What preamps are available or will be?

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This has been talked about for a couple of years . who knows when this will be available . There website has been "under construction" for well over a year .


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They have started manufacturing/assembly so probably pretty soon.

Check their facebook page, it has the most up-to-date info
https://www.facebook.com/SynergyAmps/

To people that don't know, these are a resurrection of the randall/egnater MTS modular (preamps) amps.
Dave Friedman, Fryette, and Bruce Egnater, have been involved in the engineering of the Synergy stuff.


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Can't wait for these. Saw them at NAMM and they are fantastic.


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Never heard of em.


Check out their Namm videos. Looks super impressive. :rock:



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Hopeful they see the light of day....

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Im of the camp that the power section is the heart of the tone in many ams> . Friedman and Bogner come to mind. If you have a vanilla power section with a standard with no enhnacements to the NFB loop its not going to get you there

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Im of the camp that the power section is the heart of the tone in many ams> . Friedman and Bogner come to mind. If you have a vanilla power section with a standard with no enhnacements to the NFB loop its not going to get you there


Agreed... but, if your amp is a Marshall style EL34 power section, then I'll bet most of these M-style modules are going to sound spot on.

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Im of the camp that the power section is the heart of the tone in many ams> . Friedman and Bogner come to mind. If you have a vanilla power section with a standard with no enhnacements to the NFB loop its not going to get you there


There is a 50w head, and a rack mount power amp, too. These new modules have the ability to tune these power amps (NFB, etc..)
Or at least I know that was the plan early one, so hope that made it to the final design.


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I think the best part of these things is the module cage/rack thing that allows you to turn a single channel amp into a 2 channel as long as the "host" amp has a loop...looking forward to that part just by itself !!!


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Yeah, that´s the thing that everyone has been asking Egnater for ever since they presented it, which I guess is almost ten years ago by now. It´s a great idea, even if you could do the same thing with any of the old four-module preamps, a Patchmate/GCX/4x4 or similar and a iso transformer. Glad to see it finally happen, though, even if I have a nagging feeling this Synergy line will fizz out after a few short runs and never get to full production. I hope I´m wrong!

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I think the best part of these things is the module cage/rack thing that allows you to turn a single channel amp into a 2 channel as long as the "host" amp has a loop...looking forward to that part just by itself !!!


Plus the recording features of this box make it a killer device.

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Yeah, that´s the thing that everyone has been asking Egnater for ever since they presented it, which I guess is almost ten years ago by now. It´s a great idea, even if you could do the same thing with any of the old four-module preamps, a Patchmate/GCX/4x4 or similar and a iso transformer. Glad to see it finally happen, though, even if I have a nagging feeling this Synergy line will fizz out after a few short runs and never get to full production. I hope I´m wrong!

Hopefully not. The feature set is so good but man it is taking a heck of a long time to get to market. I am sure there are a lot of things to work out and they want it right when they launch. I get all that but let's GO!!!! LOL!

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Yeah, that´s the thing that everyone has been asking Egnater for ever since they presented it, which I guess is almost ten years ago by now. It´s a great idea, even if you could do the same thing with any of the old four-module preamps, a Patchmate/GCX/4x4 or similar and a iso transformer. Glad to see it finally happen, though, even if I have a nagging feeling this Synergy line will fizz out after a few short runs and never get to full production. I hope I´m wrong!

Hopefully not. The feature set is so good but man it is taking a heck of a long time to get to market. I am sure there are a lot of things to work out and they want it right when they launch. I get all that but let's GO!!!! LOL!


But wait, next month they'll ship.... :doh:

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Yeah, that´s the thing that everyone has been asking Egnater for ever since they presented it, which I guess is almost ten years ago by now. It´s a great idea, even if you could do the same thing with any of the old four-module preamps, a Patchmate/GCX/4x4 or similar and a iso transformer. Glad to see it finally happen, though, even if I have a nagging feeling this Synergy line will fizz out after a few short runs and never get to full production. I hope I´m wrong!



Yup i was there coming up with the ideas....stings if it happens, even after 10 years!
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Yeah, that´s the thing that everyone has been asking Egnater for ever since they presented it, which I guess is almost ten years ago by now. It´s a great idea, even if you could do the same thing with any of the old four-module preamps, a Patchmate/GCX/4x4 or similar and a iso transformer. Glad to see it finally happen, though, even if I have a nagging feeling this Synergy line will fizz out after a few short runs and never get to full production. I hope I´m wrong!

Hopefully not. The feature set is so good but man it is taking a heck of a long time to get to market. I am sure there are a lot of things to work out and they want it right when they launch. I get all that but let's GO!!!! LOL!


But wait, next month they'll ship.... :doh:


They are shipping pre-order interest at least....pics when it arrives, LOL! :rock:

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Yeah, that´s the thing that everyone has been asking Egnater for ever since they presented it, which I guess is almost ten years ago by now. It´s a great idea, even if you could do the same thing with any of the old four-module preamps, a Patchmate/GCX/4x4 or similar and a iso transformer. Glad to see it finally happen, though, even if I have a nagging feeling this Synergy line will fizz out after a few short runs and never get to full production. I hope I´m wrong!



Yup i was there coming up with the ideas....stings if it happens, even after 10 years!
At least steve got the power amp built!


It was a sad day when you had to leave the fold Jeff and I can appreciate how you feel...so wanted this to happen back then.

When I get to play (oooh say once a month now) .... 8/time out of 10 I play my AX8..I have no idea why $1600 on Synergy still seems like a good idea..shrug.

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Rad, what modules did you get?


BE and HBE....slowly getting around to unpacking...still can't believe they are finally here! \m/

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Congrats Steve! That box is a sight of beauty!

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No doubt! :rock:

Haven't messed with the cathode switch yet but each module has 3 position switch on the back...cool flexibility for the input section.

Friedman ones set to middle, SLO styleto the right if I'm reading correctly...

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Man I am really interested in hearing what you think.


Honestly...it could be a while. I question the sanity of needing these for someone who messes about a couple hours/month....but after all this time/anticipation I couldn't resist. When will I get to play this stuff more than a quick wrist job, who knows? :D

I want to say the BE/HBE sound almost exactly as you'd expect...this may sound anti-climactic but in reality it's a compliment. If anything I was pleasantly surprised how good they sound out of the box, having run the gamut previously of $300-$600 modded Randall/Egnater modules.

I've never owned a BE or HBE amp but several Friedman modded MTS/Egnater modules designed to get that tone, these sound fuller than those for sure....not sure if anyone will appreciate but a lot of the Randall stuff could sound thin even with cap mods etc.

These will surely stick around for a while, definitely until I've had a chance to play a lot more.....would like to try the SLO too.

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Very cool dude
One thing I wanted to ask I had always found MTS
Fairly noisy and a lot of hiss
Are you noticing a big improvement in noise floor or is the hi gain HBE for ex
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One thing I wanted to ask I had always found MTS
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Are you noticing a big improvement in noise floor or is the hi gain HBE for ex
Still noisy and on verge of feedback


I want to say that the HBE is lower gain than the modded HBE(s) I had on the Randall platform, probably with a bit better component choice and range on the controls because they're not hacked into another circuit...some third party modders had the gain waaaay up, even into oscillation on some modules.

My favorite mod on the Egnater Dual platform was C45 on one side and HBE (or maybe it was BE) on the other.....wish I still had that sucker.

The off board mods and switches made for quite a lot of hiss on modded MTS modules, I think can safely say that I've had about 98% of them to make that statement :-)

Synergy BE/HBE has less noise for sure... :rock:

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Four cable method in the series loop is working flawlessly and took a couple minutes to set up following the instructions in the manual.

8 channels of fun has me wanting a MIDI foot switch...lol

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I've never owned a BE or HBE amp but several Friedman modded MTS/Egnater modules designed to get that tone, these sound fuller than those for sure....not sure if anyone will appreciate but a lot of the Randall stuff could sound thin even with cap mods etc.

These will surely stick around for a while, definitely until I've had a chance to play a lot more.....would like to try the SLO too.


I have a RM100, and many MTS mods. I sold off all my JF, and Salvation mods because frankly I thought they sounded pretty anemic.
I just mod my own modules, and use better caps like the SoZo Nexgen (same as the synergy royal mustard caps).

The fix for your MTS AMP RM50, or RM4 sounding thin is to replace the crappy .1uf coupling cap on the input tube board with a SoZo (or synergy royal mustard)


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I've never owned a BE or HBE amp but several Friedman modded MTS/Egnater modules designed to get that tone, these sound fuller than those for sure....not sure if anyone will appreciate but a lot of the Randall stuff could sound thin even with cap mods etc.

These will surely stick around for a while, definitely until I've had a chance to play a lot more.....would like to try the SLO too.


I have a RM100, and many MTS mods. I sold off all my JF, and Salvation mods because frankly I thought they sounded pretty anemic.
I just mod my own modules, and use better caps like the SoZo Nexgen (same as the synergy royal mustard caps).

The fix for your MTS AMP RM50, or RM4 sounding thin is to replace the crappy .1uf coupling cap on the input tube board with a SoZo (or synergy royal mustard)


I modded the input of two of my amps with different coupling caps...it made a lot of difference to my RM50s and sweet on the RM100

Also Salvation MDA board is great replacement for stock Presence/Density controls...I have two amps with Foglifters too.

By far the best mod is to have Friedman do a workup on the amp.....and here we are finally with some signature Friedman stuff in modular form....kind of how I got here, that and lusting after BE/HBE amps for so long :-)

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I modded the input of two of my amps with different coupling caps...it made a lot of difference to my RM50s and sweet on the RM100

Also Salvation MDA board is great replacement for stock Presence/Density controls...I have two amps with Foglifters too.

By far the best mod is to have Friedman do a workup on the amp.....and here we are finally with some signature Friedman stuff in modular form....kind of how I got here, that and lusting after BE/HBE amps for so long :-)


Have you tried the synergy modules in your randall amps yet? I'm interested in how that sounds.


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i am really happy that the modular stuff is out again.

still play my egnater mod100 with sl2x and eg3/4x

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I modded the input of two of my amps with different coupling caps...it made a lot of difference to my RM50s and sweet on the RM100

Also Salvation MDA board is great replacement for stock Presence/Density controls...I have two amps with Foglifters too.

By far the best mod is to have Friedman do a workup on the amp.....and here we are finally with some signature Friedman stuff in modular form....kind of how I got here, that and lusting after BE/HBE amps for so long :-)


Have you tried the synergy modules in your randall amps yet? I'm interested in how that sounds.


I really need to do that because my RM50 is my favorite amp along with my Randall 4x12...going to be limited Channel A unless I sling my SYN2 into the mix! \m/

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I really need to do that because my RM50 is my favorite amp along with my Randall 4x12...going to be limited Channel A unless I sling my SYN2 into the mix! \m/


If they sound good, i'm going to mod my rm100 to allow switching the duals. It just one simple pin you have to ground with a switch on the back plane.


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I have a Syn1 and a SLO module arriving next week. Live use is key for me. I will let you guys know how it works for me.

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I really need to do that because my RM50 is my favorite amp along with my Randall 4x12...going to be limited Channel A unless I sling my SYN2 into the mix! \m/


If they sound good, i'm going to mod my rm100 to allow switching the duals. It just one simple pin you have to ground with a switch on the back plane.


Didn't realize you could do that from the amp side, always assumed it had to be on the module where the Optos/Relays are.

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I have a Syn1 and a SLO module arriving next week. Live use is key for me. I will let you guys know how it works for me.


I have to get me an SLO module at some point :doh: :doh: :doh: :lol: :LOL: :rock:

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I really need to do that because my RM50 is my favorite amp along with my Randall 4x12...going to be limited Channel A unless I sling my SYN2 into the mix! \m/


If they sound good, i'm going to mod my rm100 to allow switching the duals. It just one simple pin you have to ground with a switch on the back plane.


They sounds OK in the Randall '50...really must check my bias..it's been sat idle a year!!!

Sounds better and both channels with the Egnater M4 into the RM50...best sounds is from the SYN2 though - mojo on the input circuit?

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I really need to do that because my RM50 is my favorite amp along with my Randall 4x12...going to be limited Channel A unless I sling my SYN2 into the mix! \m/


If they sound good, i'm going to mod my rm100 to allow switching the duals. It just one simple pin you have to ground with a switch on the back plane.


They sounds OK in the Randall '50...really must check my bias..it's been sat idle a year!!!

Sounds better and both channels with the Egnater M4 into the RM50...best sounds is from the SYN2 though - mojo on the input circuit?


Yes, most likely the input circuit. Trace the Schematic, or take some high res photos :)

What differences are you noticing? higher/lower gain, darker/brighter, tighter/looser?


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I really need to do that because my RM50 is my favorite amp along with my Randall 4x12...going to be limited Channel A unless I sling my SYN2 into the mix! \m/


If they sound good, i'm going to mod my rm100 to allow switching the duals. It just one simple pin you have to ground with a switch on the back plane.


They sounds OK in the Randall '50...really must check my bias..it's been sat idle a year!!!

Sounds better and both channels with the Egnater M4 into the RM50...best sounds is from the SYN2 though - mojo on the input circuit?


Yes, most likely the input circuit. Trace the Schematic, or take some high res photos :)

What differences are you noticing? higher/lower gain, darker/brighter, tighter/looser?


Tighter, maybe slightly higher gain....there's that patented Fryette Sag circuit control up front in the SYN2

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