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PostPosted: Fri, May 30, 2014 8:40am 
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Would it be possible to compile a Linux Remote version (Ubuntu 14.04) ?
I posted this message on the french guitariste.com's forum but hope some more success here ;)

Should be so great !!

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Well, once a year I get that request, and once a year my answer is: try the Windows application with Wine, because we do not have ressources to put on a Linux version. ;)

Porting the Remote to Linux is a huge work, and so far I don't see any market for this. I may be wrong, but I don't think so. ;)

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guillaume_pille wrote:
Well, once a year I get that request
Now that you say that, yes I'm sorry already saw that ... :( Sorry. But my experience with wine has never been sucessfull ...
guillaume_pille wrote:
Porting the Remote to Linux is a huge work
Didn't know that as you already program for Osx
I though this was not a so huge task ...

Anyway thanks for answer.
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though this was not a so huge task ...


The distance between a standard Linux distribution and OSX is H U G E. ^^

I should have a dedicated team on that, and even if the geek inside me would love to announce a Linux version, I know it's better if we give new toys to the people using Windows and Mac OSX, which is already a lot of work. And I can't imagine giving support for all the Linux distributions as a new one is born every day. ^^

Or I should have a team of geek interns on Linux. ^^

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guillaume_pille wrote:
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though this was not a so huge task ...


The distance between a standard Linux distribution and OSX is H U G E. ^^

I should have a dedicated team on that, and even if the geek inside me would love to announce a Linux version, I know it's better if we give new toys to the people using Windows and Mac OSX, which is already a lot of work. And I can't imagine giving support for all the Linux distributions as a new one is born every day. ^^

Or I should have a team of geek interns on Linux. ^^


Aujourd'hui je suis ingénieur généraliste avec une bonne culture du dev logiciel et de GNU/Linux mais... En tant qu'étudiant, comme j'aurais aimé lire cette dernière phrase! :D


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If you don't mind tenSe we will stick to English here .;)

Well, its not only about compiling a Linux version, but maintaining it and offering a new one every time we release an update. That is some serious work. ;)

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guillaume_pille wrote:
If you don't mind tenSe we will stick to English here .;)

Well, its not only about compiling a Linux version, but maintaining it and offering a new one every time we release an update. That is some serious work. ;)


Sure, I'll write in English only from now on.

The decision is quite easy to understand: the demand of a GNU/Linux version of Remote is not huge enough, compared to the resource it takes to develop and maintain such a piece of software.
It is sad though, since there are some really nice products, like Ardour3 and Cadence, which allow advanced music processing with GNU/Linux.

... I might try running Remote with WINE in the near future (if I don't spend all my spare time playing with the new Arcade mode and the CAB reverbs :D ). I'll let you know if I can get it to work.

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Sadly enough, it does not work :(.
Remote starts and does not find my CAB.
When I plug the USB cable, the kernel sees the CAB (dmesg displays all my CAB's infos), but Remote does not seem to be aware of it.

I wish it could work :D.


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Remote uses some information from the computer to identify you. In that regard, Windows and Linux do not work the same, but we have in mind to change that in future versions.

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guillaume_pille wrote:
Remote uses some information from the computer to identify you. In that regard, Windows and Linux do not work the same, but we have in mind to change that in future versions.


Yes, this is a long dead topic ... but I'm thinking about buying the Revv D20, which hosts the Torpedo CAB and I'm exclusive on Linux on all my systems. The D20 lacks wireless connectivity, so Android/iPhone is out of the question.

Will I be able to run the remote software on Linux/Wine? Did anyone try it on a less-ideal VirtualBox Windows environment?


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MrHaroldA I have no idea if the latest remote with D20 works on Linux with Wine, virtual Box will work though but I know it's a bit of a pain.

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guillaume_pille wrote:
MrHaroldA I have no idea if the latest remote with D20 works on Linux with Wine, virtual Box will work though but I know it's a bit of a pain.

Well, I bought a D20 today, so let's find out in the somewhere in the near future ;)


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Great, keep us posted!

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guillaume_pille wrote:
Great, keep us posted!


Well, it doesn't work.

Wine can't find the USB device, VirtualBox neither. In Linux, the D20 registers as HID device. If you unbind it, it has no driver at all so it won't show up as device to add to a virtual Windows machine.

This sucks big time.

I guess I have to program my D20 using midi? Does it support loading IR's through SysEX?


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the D20 registers as HID device


It is an HID device indeed. Not sure why the virtual box doesn't see it, we do use virtual box in our developments but not on Linux.

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Well loading an IR through sysex would probably take an hour, so no the function is not available. MIDI control of every parameter, yes.

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I guess I have to program my D20 using midi? Does it support loading IR's through SysEX?


Well loading an IR through sysex would probably take an hour, so no the function is not available. MIDI control of every parameter, yes.


Ok, and how about querying parameters? Is that possible?


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guillaume_pille wrote:
And I can't imagine giving support for all the Linux distributions as a new one is born every day. ^^


Not even the video game publishers with Linux support for their games attempt that. Generally, a company picks its flavor, usually Ubuntu or Debian, then the users and distributions based on those adapt to your product.

guillaume_pille wrote:
so far I don't see any market for this. I may be wrong, but I don't think so. ;)


There are indications this market is developing. For instance, I just saw this today: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.8-RME-Babyface-Pro


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guillaume_pille wrote:
And I can't imagine giving support for all the Linux distributions as a new one is born every day. ^^


Not even the video game publishers with Linux support for their games attempt that. Generally, a company picks its flavor, usually Ubuntu or Debian, then the users and distributions based on those adapt to your product

There are companies that make sure their Windows binary runs on Wine. Cockos REAPER, for example, but they have released a native Linux version as well.

Linux runs on more than half of all devices worldwide, from your router to most web servers, from your phone (Android) to the desktop. The desktop is the only market Linux hasn't conquered yet, but at a stable 2% it is already a big player.

Games have been ported to Linux as well, I read that Valve/Steam made about 6500 games available on Linux.

Let's hope Two Notes can get Wine support done; that way they can serve all major desktops with the least amount of effort.


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guillaume_pille wrote:
And I can't imagine giving support for all the Linux distributions as a new one is born every day. ^^


Not even the video game publishers with Linux support for their games attempt that. Generally, a company picks its flavor, usually Ubuntu or Debian, then the users and distributions based on those adapt to your product

There are companies that make sure their Windows binary runs on Wine. Cockos REAPER, for example, but they have released a native Linux version as well.

Linux runs on more than half of all devices worldwide, from your router to most web servers, from your phone (Android) to the desktop. The desktop is the only market Linux hasn't conquered yet, but at a stable 2% it is already a big player.

Games have been ported to Linux as well, I read that Valve/Steam made about 6500 games available on Linux.

Let's hope Two Notes can get Wine support done; that way they can serve all major desktops with the least amount of effort.


Right, WINE would be a smart move, and native support would be even better for the user. Recording with Linux would also avoid this kind of issue:


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Linux people should experience the days of running SGI Unix systems for graphics. When Apple and Windows started doing it we were so happy because it was cheaper and eventually faster. The bottom line there is that multimedia on Apple or PC not Unix based systems is how it evolved to get better because it allowed more people access to develop more stuff. I love Linux for what it does but if you want cutting edge multimedia then Windows/Apple is where it is at.


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Linux people should experience days of running SGI Unix systems for graphics. When Apple and Windows started doing it we were so happy because it was cheaper and eventually faster. The bottom line there is that multimedia on Apple or PC not Unix based systems is how it evolved to get better because it allowed more people access to develop more stuff. I love Linux for what it does but if you want cutting edge multimedia then Windows/Apple is where it is at.


Mac is UNIX. Windows, Mac, and Linux developed the way they did because of the consumers they were targeting. That gap has been narrowing for a while now.

Torpedo Remote and the associated Two Notes applications are very nice pieces of software, certainly cutting edge in many ways for guitarists and the industry. I'd hesitate to say it's cutting edge multimedia overall, however. The system requirements for these are all pretty reasonable. It's essentially proprietary GUI based eq adjustments with some hardware interface options. Linux runs some of the most complicated machines in the world, it can handle this too.


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BatmansRigTalk wrote:
I love Linux for what it does but if you want cutting edge multimedia then Windows/Apple is where it is at.

Ehrm; what would you call "cutting edge multimedia"? A DAW? Linux has that covered, and way better than Mac or Windows in terms of latency, reliability, and maintainability. The only thing that sucks is that there is a lack of pro-audio plugins for Linux available, but that is also shifting.

Linux is perfect as a consumer desktop, especially for the less tech-savvy as it's very low maintenance and "just works".


... except for propriety software like the Torpedo Remote. :(


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Let me sum it up for you. The Linux community isn't exactly well known for being an artist community. Since Linux is the community that will explain why it lacks so much in this particular field of artistic content creation. Apple always had it. Windows got when it was powerful enough to run SGI software along with AutoDesk and Corel improvements. Linux basically cloned a bunch of Windows sound engineering software and nothing has changed much since. It makes no sense to be running Linux for multimedia creation especially if it involves plug-in devices that sound engineering almost inevitably will be using. I have been a Slackware user and have used a bunch of other distros, but when it comes down to multimedia creation, I simply have no use for it in a project because at some stage you meet that wall and it usually kills off what you intended to do. The community just isn't there for it, IMO. So even if you have this software on Linux, eventually you find something that won't. It is just the reality of it. If I could use Linux for everything I do, I would, but several pieces of hardware don't have linux software and some software I use isn't on Linux or a good clone. So virtualizing is the only way there too.


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RME has had a Linux forum since at least 2007, well before their recently announced support for the Babyface due up in Linux 5.8: https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewforum.php?id=10

Reaper is on Linux: https://www.reaper.fm/download.php

So however small or large the community may be, it isn't too small for RME or Reaper. The Linux artist community has made substantial contributions as well. For example:

TuxGuitar is a very popular tablature program (with "Tux" referencing the Linux penguin): https://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxguitar/

Ubuntu Studio has been available since Ubuntu 12.04 and is a recognized flavor of Ubuntu with a low latency kernel for recording: https://ubuntustudio.org/

Guitarix is a virtual amplifier for Linux: http://guitarix.org/

There are much more of course, these are just the ones that come to mind as I'm typing.


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lockingtuner wrote:

So however small or large the community may be, it isn't too small for RME or Reaper. The Linux artist community has made substantial contributions as well. For example:

TuxGuitar ........

There are much more of course, these are just the ones that come to mind as I'm typing.


There isn't much more than what is on Apple and Windows because Linux doesn't have the community for it. Not size but actual multimedia creation communities. That is something it needs to start with. What you might want to say is, "all I need is this Two Notes software and my Linux project is done". That would be great. However, in reality 99.9% of us don't end just there. Eventually, we hit the wall and here is the thing... we avoided buying hardware that you should have gotten in the first place but it didn't have Linux support. We avoided software we should have... etc.

That is why if people are into multimedia creation content they avoid Linux unless they absolutely know the support is there for it from day #1 and not to expect updates and upgrades. Linux as a platform is something you aren't supposed to upgrade much. You get a working system and except for security patches and driver updates you keep the system as is so that it doesn't fail. So even Linux as a platform means finding a specific distro catered for upgrading like a multimedia system. The community is even smaller again.

That is why multimedia content creation is firmly in the domain of Apple and Windows. They did this on purpose to compete. I have been a fan of Linux for a long time. Use Slackware and other distros but in the end I would never recommend multimedia creation and linux to anybody because you could end up costing them money. That's the reality of it. So I am not against Two Notes doing more Linux software, it is just putting Linux on par with the other OSs in this field is simply not going to work out.


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BatmansRigTalk wrote:
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So however small or large the community may be, it isn't too small for RME or Reaper. The Linux artist community has made substantial contributions as well. For example:

TuxGuitar ........

There are much more of course, these are just the ones that come to mind as I'm typing.


There isn't much more than what is on Apple and Windows because Linux doesn't have the community for it. Not size but actual multimedia creation communities. That is something it needs to start with. What you might want to say is, "all I need is this Two Notes software and my Linux project is done". That would be great. However, in reality 99.9% of us don't end just there. Eventually, we hit the wall and here is the thing... we avoided buying hardware that you should have gotten in the first place but it didn't have Linux support. We avoided software we should have... etc.


Then I think you're addressing something other than what has been expressed in this thread. We would just like to see Two Notes and other companies offer some Linux support.


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Just a friendly reminder that both Wine and VirtualBox still can't find the Revv D20. Installation went fine, application is showing it's interface, but it never detects the D20. :cry:


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Hello

thank you for the friendly reminder :)
Unfortunately, we are not able to put part of the software team to make the compatibility of Remote under Linux. But I'll forward your request to the software team nonetheless.

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Unfortunately, we are not able to put part of the software team to make the compatibility of Remote under Linux. But I'll forward your request to the software team nonetheless.


Please do!

PS: I've tried both the stable (5.0.2) as the experimental version (5.19) of Wine.


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