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Torpedo Cab M questions

Sat, Feb 23, 2019 3:27am

Hi all,

Looking at the Cab M but have a couple of questions and hope someone can help out.

When is the mobile app available , particularly for iOS? I can’t find the IOS or Android apps anywhere.

Would it be possible to connect an amp in the following way,
Amp to Cab M, Amp through on Cab M to Loadbox?

I know the manual suggest loadbox to Cab M but would the way above have a more natural amp tone without any colouring of the sound?

Thanks

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Sat, Feb 23, 2019 1:59pm

Hi ACD123,

the iPad app is currently tested, it will be made available on the 28th. Android will follow a few weeks later.

Amp to Cab M, Amp through on Cab M to Loadbox?


Yes, that works!

I know the manual suggest loadbox to Cab M but would the way above have a more natural amp tone without any colouring of the sound?


It should be very similar, the only difference being the output stage of the loadbox being used in the manual (providing more control on the level being sent to the CAB M) while the amp level being sent to the CAB M directly with only 3 levels settings.

In both case, the amp just sees the Loadbox, the CAB is is virtually invisible (electronically speaking).

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Sat, Feb 23, 2019 2:07pm

guillaume_pille wrote:Hi ACD123,

the iPad app is currently tested, it will be made available on the 28th. Android will follow a few weeks later.

Amp to Cab M, Amp through on Cab M to Loadbox?


Yes, that works!

I know the manual suggest loadbox to Cab M but would the way above have a more natural amp tone without any colouring of the sound?


It should be very similar, the only difference being the output stage of the loadbox being used in the manual (providing more control on the level being sent to the CAB M) while the amp level being sent to the CAB M directly with only 3 levels settings.

In both case, the amp just sees the Loadbox, the CAB is is virtually invisible (electronically speaking).



Thanks for the info, all sounds great. 😀

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Sun, Feb 24, 2019 1:19pm

Done a little bit more research from the product manual and .....

Cab M ordered and on the way, only problem now is waiting until Tuesday for delivery!!!

😀😀😀

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Mon, Feb 25, 2019 5:53am

Awesome, you'll see it's a very cool product!

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Mon, Feb 25, 2019 11:06am

Was doing a little advance planning on what I’m going to do with the Cab M, lots of possibilities but was thinking if this is possible.

I have a lot of TC electronic pedals tha I love - all the tone print delays, chorus reverbs etc. I know that they can accept line input at +4dbu so was thinking...

If I run an amp into a Captor will I be able to reduce the line out level from the Captor enough to go into a delay pedal then to the Cab M?

Seems like it should be possible but any one tried similar..

Will be a few weeks before I can spring on a captor

Thanks

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Mon, Feb 25, 2019 11:10pm

Ok, so, bass player here. I'm pretty new to this cab sim thing, so, please bear with me. I just ordered a Cab M! I'm trying to turn my board into a self-contained bass rig that I can take anywhere and have them same, awesome tone. I'm running a killer preamp(not a Two Notes Le Bass, sorry...:-( )and the pedals I have are running through the preamp's effects loop. My plan is to run the Cab M as the last pedal in the chain, but I saw on the site that I should run it through my preamp's effects loop before my modulation? I understand the studio aspect of this, but if I'm running the power amp & cab sims, wouldn't I want it after the preamp? Thanks!

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Feb 26, 2019 4:43am

If I run an amp into a Captor will I be able to reduce the line out level from the Captor enough to go into a delay pedal then to the Cab M?


No, problem it will work, just make sure you don't get distortion happening in the Delay pedal and you'll be fine.

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Feb 26, 2019 5:11am

Greetings from Russia, comrades!...)

I have a stupid question:
Will it be safe to use Speaker Out with Fx Loop of an amplifier?



For example:
Preamp->CabM Input ->CabM Speaker Out-> Fx Loop Return
Parallel path: CabM DI Out -> Mixing Desk

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Feb 26, 2019 1:31pm

guillaume_pille wrote:
If I run an amp into a Captor will I be able to reduce the line out level from the Captor enough to go into a delay pedal then to the Cab M?


No, problem it will work, just make sure you don't get distortion happening in the Delay pedal and you'll be fine.



You’ve just sold a Captor, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is exactly the kind of rig I’ve been thinking of, can’t wait to try and I promise to feed back on how it works, Cab M arrived today so lots to do 😊😊😊

Thanks for all the help

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Sat, Mar 02, 2019 2:12pm

My pleasure, have fun!

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Mar 12, 2019 9:42pm

pbass6811 wrote:Ok, so, bass player here. I'm pretty new to this cab sim thing, so, please bear with me. I just ordered a Cab M! I'm trying to turn my board into a self-contained bass rig that I can take anywhere and have them same, awesome tone. I'm running a killer preamp(not a Two Notes Le Bass, sorry...:-( )and the pedals I have are running through the preamp's effects loop. My plan is to run the Cab M as the last pedal in the chain, but I saw on the site that I should run it through my preamp's effects loop before my modulation? I understand the studio aspect of this, but if I'm running the power amp & cab sims, wouldn't I want it after the preamp? Thanks!



Anyone?

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Wed, Mar 13, 2019 9:29pm

i just got it today,downloaded from app store and connected to ipad but wont conect to mac

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Thu, Mar 14, 2019 2:55am

Ok, so, bass player here. I'm pretty new to this cab sim thing, so, please bear with me. I just ordered a Cab M! I'm trying to turn my board into a self-contained bass rig that I can take anywhere and have them same, awesome tone. I'm running a killer preamp(not a Two Notes Le Bass, sorry...:-( )and the pedals I have are running through the preamp's effects loop. My plan is to run the Cab M as the last pedal in the chain, but I saw on the site that I should run it through my preamp's effects loop before my modulation? I understand the studio aspect of this, but if I'm running the power amp & cab sims, wouldn't I want it after the preamp? Thanks!


Hi pbass6811, it is a matter of taste and practicality. You'll be totally fine if you put the CAB M at the end of the chain to get the DI out, and run other effects before it. ;)


i just got it today,downloaded from app store and connected to ipad but wont conect to mac


Hi jlrr25, you mean the CAB M won't connect to the Mac version of Torpedo remote on your Mac, correct?

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Thu, Apr 25, 2019 2:13pm

I have the cab M, what is the app to control it? I have an Iphone and can't seem to find it in the app store.

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Thu, Apr 25, 2019 3:33pm

The iPhone version of the app hasn't appeared yet. iPad version exists and PC/mac version.

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Thu, Apr 25, 2019 3:41pm

thanx

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Mon, May 13, 2019 4:15am

We have an early version of the iPhone app running, Beta should be out in not too long!

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Thu, Aug 15, 2019 5:05am

WrongWayKid wrote:Greetings from Russia, comrades!...)

I have a stupid question:
Will it be safe to use Speaker Out with Fx Loop of an amplifier?

For example:
Preamp->CabM Input ->CabM Speaker Out-> Fx Loop Return
Parallel path: CabM DI Out -> Mixing Desk


Hi !

It seems nobody has answered this question yet, which is far from stupid actually, and it seems that this specific configuration is not mentioned in the user manual or elsewhere.

I have the exact same question, because i want to use a CAB M the same way : in between the preamp and the poweramp (which means : in the FX loop), to be able to get :
1) my dry preamp sound to my power amp (and then to my actual cabinet)
2) my "Torpedo-ed" CAB M output (= dry preamp sound going through the CAB M poweramp + miking sim) to my mixing desk

Is it possible to use the "speaker out" of the C.A.B M as a thru jack output, even if it outputs a preamp signal that goes to the poweramp, instead of outputting a poweramp signal (speaker out) to a speaker (which is the normal case) ?

In other words :
- this "speaker out" of the C.A.B M was originally designed as a THRU in between a poweramp and an actual cab...
- ... but can it be used as a THRU in between a preamp and a poweramp (which would be way more useful in my case) ?
If so, i guess a regular instrument cable can be used (instead of a speaker cable) ?

Looking at the Block Diagram and the Technical Data of the current user manual makes me think that this is possible (and that this THRU jack output is labelled and advertised as a "speaker output" only because nobody considered using it between a preamp and a poweramp), but i need to be 100% before i buy a C.A.B. M and use it this way :)

EDIT : i opened a dedicated thread for this question :

viewtopic.php?f=75&t=206665

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Thu, Sep 12, 2019 3:02am

Hi all,

because the SPEAKER out cannot be buffered, the ground of whatever you connect there will be connected to the ground of CAB M and your previous device (a preamp).

It may work and you will not break anything, but it's possible that you experience ground loops doing that. In that case, a DI (with isolation transformer) may be necessary.

When you connect a cabinet on that output, because the cabinet is a floating ground, you have no issue. ;)

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Mon, Sep 16, 2019 5:27am

Hey guys, is it safe to run the designated preamp out of my 5150III into the CabM without needing to run the speaker out (thru jack) of the CabM?

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Sep 17, 2019 3:07am

Hi OliOls9,

if the preamp out can be operated on the amp with the power off (or output volume all the way down) that shouldn't be a problem.

The speaker output on CAB is designed for something else: in case you plus the AMP (not preamp) into the CAB M, connect the speaker output of CAB M into your real speaker.

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Mon, Oct 07, 2019 5:32pm

guillaume_pille wrote:Hi all,

because the SPEAKER out cannot be buffered, the ground of whatever you connect there will be connected to the ground of CAB M and your previous device (a preamp).

It may work and you will not break anything, but it's possible that you experience ground loops doing that. In that case, a DI (with isolation transformer) may be necessary.

When you connect a cabinet on that output, because the cabinet is a floating ground, you have no issue. ;)


Hi !

Thanks for the clarification !

Just to be sure i understand this right, did you mean that to make sure i have no ground loops in my case, i would need to put a DI in between the "preamp out" and the "CAB M input" ?

Also, let's suppose i skip the "inserting a DI" (to prevent ground loops issues) part, I have a hard time seeing the difference (in terms of ground loops issues) between :
- inserting a regular fx pedal (say a delay pedal) in the fx loop of my amp (which is something lots of people do, and do not seem to have a specific ground loop issue this way)
- inserting a CAB M in the fx loop of my amp

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Oct 08, 2019 6:40am

Just to be sure i understand this right, did you mean that to make sure i have no ground loops in my case, i would need to put a DI in between the "preamp out" and the "CAB M input" ?


You won't necessarily have an issue, but in that case a DI can help. It's worth trying it anyway.

Also, let's suppose i skip the "inserting a DI" (to prevent ground loops issues) part, I have a hard time seeing the difference (in terms of ground loops issues) between :
- inserting a regular fx pedal (say a delay pedal) in the fx loop of my amp (which is something lots of people do, and do not seem to have a specific ground loop issue this way)
- inserting a CAB M in the fx loop of my amp


If the CAB M is just connected in and out to your amp, no difference. But if you plug it to your amp on one side, and then into a mixer, a soundcard, another distant device with a different grounding, things can get funny.

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Oct 08, 2019 6:56am

guillaume_pille wrote:
Just to be sure i understand this right, did you mean that to make sure i have no ground loops in my case, i would need to put a DI in between the "preamp out" and the "CAB M input" ?


You won't necessarily have an issue, but in that case a DI can help. It's worth trying it anyway.


OK thanks !

guillaume_pille wrote:
Also, let's suppose i skip the "inserting a DI" (to prevent ground loops issues) part, I have a hard time seeing the difference (in terms of ground loops issues) between :
- inserting a regular fx pedal (say a delay pedal) in the fx loop of my amp (which is something lots of people do, and do not seem to have a specific ground loop issue this way)
- inserting a CAB M in the fx loop of my amp


If the CAB M is just connected in and out to your amp, no difference. But if you plug it to your amp on one side, and then into a mixer, a soundcard, another distant device with a different grounding, things can get funny.


OK, but if i (insert my CAB M in the FX loop of my amp) and use the "DI out" of my CAB M to reach my mixer, i guess the DI out of the CAB M is supposed to get rid of any grounding issues (using the ground lift button if needed), right ?

I already have a (original) Torpedo CAB, and the appeal of the CAB M to me is :
- the small form factor
- the "DI out" in XLR format
- the "speaker out" (that i would use as a "thru")

All combined, it would allow me to integrate the CAB M in my current chain (in between my preamp and my poweramp), without needing to add a separate DI Box and/or splitters (that have an isolation/ground lift capability).

This is why i wanna make sure that, among others, the "DI out" of the CAB M provides the same isolation (as far as ground loops) as a regular DI box.

I just need to be sure of that before i purchase a CAB M :)

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Oct 08, 2019 10:41am

The problem is not with the DI out, it's about connecting the ground of multiple products via the CAB M, which is what you do by using the THRU not for its original purpose.

The ground lift can help, but sometimes it's not enough, it depends on how the noise travels and where it takes its source. That's the case for EVERY product. And if the noise happens because you use the THRU, well, the ground lift on the DI out is useless...

If you don't want to take the risk, do not buy it.

Re: Torpedo Cab M questions

Tue, Oct 08, 2019 3:24pm

@guillaume pille :
Thanks !

I will try to borrow one and do some tests !

EDIT : by the way, i added all your answers regarding this "Torpedo CAB M : using the "speaker out" as a FX loop "thru" " in the dedicated thread i created :

viewtopic.php?f=75&t=206665
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